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June 2, 2020 at 1:32 PM #817798June 2, 2020 at 2:20 PM #817802outtamojoParticipant
The obviously bad ones cant contain themselves even when they know the world is watching. Cities should take advantage of this and weed out the bad apples.
Should be quite a harvest from the looks of it.June 2, 2020 at 11:17 PM #817843FlyerInHiGuestJohn Oliver has a good analysis on bad apples.
June 3, 2020 at 12:18 AM #817849CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]Corona, it’s all about you and your unrelated grievances again.
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Wow Brian, personal again?
June 3, 2020 at 12:34 AM #817852CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]Yeah, pick your fight.
However, how does reforming the police hurt Asian Americans?You seem unable step back outside of yourself and look at structural issues we face as a society. It’s always about you.
I call the police every so often to protect my interests. However, I know that the system is broken.[/quote]
Wow, Brian, personal again? Taking the high road again?
June 3, 2020 at 9:23 AM #817865FlyerInHiGuestCorona, read your own comments.
The topic was police abuse. You steered the conversation to your own grievances. I just stayed the obvious.June 3, 2020 at 9:13 PM #817889FlyerInHiGuest[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]i dont think you’re any kind of a nutcase. I think you’re a fairly typical juror. I think you’d acquit chaunvin, and i think most people willa gree with that result.
by definition, if your viewpoint is accepted as normal by the majority, you’re not a nut, you’re a sane individual.
i might be a nutcase, in fact ive been told im a nutcase, and i dispute that, but im much more likely to be a nutcase than you are. I woudl say, based on your comment, you are definitely not a nutcase.
IM going to try to restate your opinion, and feel free to correct me if im getting it wrong, because i dont want to put words in your mouth.
I think your opinion is basically, dude had it coming to him, good riddance, clean up the streets, victim rights>defendant rights, harsher penalties, and if we can’t lock guys up forever, then let the police work it out with them on the streets.
there’s nothing abnormal about that opinion. You could state it a little more clearly though.
just say it. stop being so PC
screw these dirtbags.[/quote]
Scaredy, earlier today, I remembered your “translation” when I saw ALL LIVES MATTER in all caps on facebook. You write so well. How would interpret ALL LIVES MATTER in response to BLM?
June 4, 2020 at 9:54 AM #817901FlyerInHiGuest[quote=zk][quote=NeetaT]No,I will not say his name “George Floyd”.
But!!!!!
I will say their names: Aracely Henriquez, Angel Negrete,
Amanda Negrete, and Juan Botello.These are the people that George Floyd robbed at gunpoint and caused years of PTSD in their lives.
Thank you![/quote]
Has anyone else noticed how many rwnj posts on social media now are similar to this one? Kind of weird, pointless, tangential jabs that sort of allude to something but don’t really make any sense? I see a lot of that now, now that they’re just so wrong about so many things that they can’t even make a cogent case for their stances.[/quote]
It’s part of Trumpism to defect to something else and claim directly or implicitly that “they don’t talk about that”. Trump’s speeches are full of “they don’t take about that”.
It implies there is this liberal conspiracy to hurt Trump (or White people, or substitute whoever) by not talking about that, that being something more important, much more unjust. It reinforces the feeling of victimhood they feel.
In White Fragility, Robin di angelo, points out that White people at set off by generalizations. If you say the police is corrupt, they refuse to look at context; they immediately get riled up and come back with “there some bad apples”. And of course, because of white fragility, I need to add that not all white people are like that — only the people the author, who is White, discusses in her book.
It’s a slightly different form of what-aboutism that the Russians developed during the Cold War. It’s not logical, but it’s demagoguery that works. Tom Nichols discusses that in The Death of Expertise. Example: if you say “the climate is warming”, they’ll say “it’s cold outside.” So rather that talking about climate change, you end talking about how it being cold outside is not relevant.
Also, in a post facts world there are no longer commonly accepted truths or principles. Unless everything is tightly documented, people will always question with “says who?”, hence the death of expertise. Plus expertise is elitist and not to be trusted.
June 4, 2020 at 11:03 AM #817902scaredyclassicParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]i dont think you’re any kind of a nutcase. I think you’re a fairly typical juror. I think you’d acquit chaunvin, and i think most people willa gree with that result.
by definition, if your viewpoint is accepted as normal by the majority, you’re not a nut, you’re a sane individual.
i might be a nutcase, in fact ive been told im a nutcase, and i dispute that, but im much more likely to be a nutcase than you are. I woudl say, based on your comment, you are definitely not a nutcase.
IM going to try to restate your opinion, and feel free to correct me if im getting it wrong, because i dont want to put words in your mouth.
I think your opinion is basically, dude had it coming to him, good riddance, clean up the streets, victim rights>defendant rights, harsher penalties, and if we can’t lock guys up forever, then let the police work it out with them on the streets.
there’s nothing abnormal about that opinion. You could state it a little more clearly though.
just say it. stop being so PC
screw these dirtbags.[/quote]
Scaredy, earlier today, I remembered your “translation” when I saw ALL LIVES MATTER in all caps on facebook. You write so well. How would interpret ALL LIVES MATTER in response to BLM?[/quote]
BLM: Systemic Racism keeps black people down.
ALM: The system is fair and color blind.
BLM: In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population.
ALM: Each of those cases was heard in a neutral, color blind court.
BLM: So black people are just more dangerous?
ALM: You said it, not me. And I think you may be the racist here.
BLM: African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites. Doesn’t that at least begin to suggest there might be some societal problem.
ALM: No. We all have free will. We all make decisions. And we will all be held accountable for our decisions.
BLM: What about the history of America? Does that not have any effect on today.
ALM: What’s past is past. It’s so long ago. My ancestors didn’t hold slaves or incarcerate southern blacks for petty crimes and force labor. All we can do is address the present moment.
BLM: So long ago? Seems like only yesterday marrying a white woman was a crime. Arent we all the product of the infinite range of social forces that bear upon us?
ALM: Perhaps, but it’s irrelevant to doing justice today. We do it case by case.
BLM: Well, it sure doesn’t seem like justice is being done to some folk. It definitely feels like blacks are going to get different treatment from the cops and courts than whites. Even if things are just, which I’m not conceding, isn’t it problematic that things don’t appear just?
ALM: Deal with it.
BLM: Are you for reals saying nothing needs to change.
ALM: Pretty much. We have the greatest country with the greatest justice system and the best police int he world.
BLM: For reals? Fuck you.
ALM: You people need to learn some manners.
(mutual combat fighting ensues when ALM puts his forefinger in BLM’s face; cops arrive, shoot the black guy, dust off the white guy)).
June 5, 2020 at 9:27 AM #817970scaredyclassicParticipantALM: see this video? It proves wearent racist. If youre a 75 uear old guy, we will try to kill you to, just for being there.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484
Our country ti
June 5, 2020 at 9:29 AM #817972scaredyclassicParticipantMy country, ’tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing;
Land where my fathers died,
Land of the pilgrims’ pride,
From ev’ry mountainside
Let freedom ring!My native country, thee,
Land of the noble free,
Thy name I love;
I love thy rocks and rills,
Thy woods and templed hills;
My heart with rapture thrills,
Like that above.Let music swell the breeze,
And ring from all the trees
Sweet freedom’s song;
Let mortal tongues awake;
Let all that breathe partake;
Let rocks their silence break,
The sound prolong.Our fathers’ God to Thee,
Author of liberty,
To Thee we sing.
Long may our land be bright,
With freedom’s holy light,
Protect us by Thy might,
Great God our King!June 5, 2020 at 9:56 AM #817975ucodegenParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic]ALM: see this video? It proves wearent racist. If youre a 75 uear old guy, we will try to kill you to, just for being there.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484
Our country ti[/quote]
That bleeding from the ear is quite bad. I’ve seen it before from a person in an accident. That person did not survive. Prognosis is not necessarily good. It can be a symptom of bleeding around the brain (hemorrhagic stroke). You can hear how hard the head hit the pavement. Watch the hand go lax in a delay after impact, head drop back to the ground (person was trying to hold it up). Unconscious not due to impact, but due to bleeding. If the impact made him unconscious, the hand would have been immediately relaxed, head against pavement.June 5, 2020 at 10:06 AM #817976ltsdddParticipantHere’s the kicker. The official police report is the man “tripped and fell”.
Buffalo Police Said Protester With Head Wound “Tripped and Fell.” Video Shows They Lied.
…and this La Mesa police here claimed he was assaulted (may be after he ran a check and didn’t find anything against the victim so got to make up some shit to justify the violation of his civil rights).
June 5, 2020 at 11:29 AM #817977phasterParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=svelte]You’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.[/quote]
citizens have no duty to rescue. You could be dying in the street and i could walk over your body with no repercussions.
Cops on the other hand arguably have a duty to rescue. So if they see someone in distress, they are legally required (some believe) to rescue.
Also, only an idiot would have assaulted the police in that situation.
If floyd had died with no witnesses, I guaranfuckingtee you those other officers would not have ratted out their buddy. 100% guarantee.
…society has evolved into a very messed up situation. I wouldn’t be a cop under any circumstances, let alone the current clusterfuck.[/quote]
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Commentary: Why do riots happen and what can be done to stop them? Two psychologists explain.…Research shows that crowds act differently than do individuals. Responsibility is diluted and crowds egg each other on. People can justify outrageous behavior and acting out in ways they would not on their own. Violent perpetrators can slip away and
hide in the crowd. Angry, destructive people can act with no motive except giving vent to their frustrations.Crowds breed a sense of “us” and create a sense of belonging. This can be positive if they remain peaceful. When a small group becomes violent, research shows that a majority will call them out and demand they stop. The psychology becomes one of defining the aggressors as “not us.” However, if the police respond to the whole group as if they are all aggressors and the police treat all protesters as potential law breakers, it has the effect of uniting the protesters against the police. The group unites, but in a sinister way.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/story/2020-06-02/psychology-protests-riots
[/quote]meanwhile,…
and then there is the bigger covid-19 problem that has to be addressed
June 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM #817981scaredyclassicParticipantFeel free to protest.
Just not outside.
Or near cops.
Or after work.
Or if trump is nearby.
Basically, stay in your home.
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