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May 31, 2020 at 4:02 PM #817699May 31, 2020 at 4:05 PM #817700
svelteParticipantYou’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.
May 31, 2020 at 4:15 PM #817701scaredyclassic
Participant[quote=svelte]You’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.[/quote]
citizens have no duty to rescue. You could be dying in the street and i could walk over your body with no repercussions.
Cops on the other hand arguably have a duty to rescue. So if they see someone in distress, they are legally required (some believe) to rescue.
Also, only an idiot would have assaulted the police in that situation.
If floyd had died with no witnesses, I guaranfuckingtee you those other officers would not have ratted out their buddy. 100% guarantee. Hell, it wouldn’t have been “apparent” anything wrong was done afetr the fact without normal citizen input. the cops wouldve agreed, Guy was “resisting” we tried to restrain, him, he basically brought it on himself. shit happens.
And the police report would have been and signed off by all involved. There is zero doubt in my mind as to that.
Maybe policing wouldnt be as dangerous if we hadn’t created a militaristic police state with a seriously disenfranchised underclass.
But it is what it is. The police are SUPPOSED to be taking grave risks. that’s what they signed on for. officer safety should not be so far above citizen safety. but that’s what’s happened. No risk is tolerable for the officer. We need to make sure the cuffed guy on the ground cant wiggle.
society has evolved into a very messed up situation. I wouldn’t be a cop under any circumstances, let alone the current clusterfuck.
May 31, 2020 at 4:15 PM #817702svelteParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=svelte]You’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.[/quote]
citizens have no duty to rescue. You could be dying in the street and i could walk over your body with no repercussions.
Cops on the other hand arguably have a duty to rescue. So if they see someone in distress, they are legally required (some believe) to rescue.
Also, only an idiot would have assaulted the police in that situation.
If floyd had died with no witnesses, I guaranfuckingtee you those other officers would not have ratted out their buddy. 100% guarantee. Hell, it wouldn’t have been “apparent” anything wrong was done. Guy was “resisting” we tried to restrain, him, he basically brought it on himself.
And the police report would have been fictional. and signed off by all involved. There is zero doubt in my mind as to that.
Maybe policing wouldnt be as dangerous if we hadn’t created a militaristic police state with a seriously disenfranchised underclass.
But it is what it is. The police are SUPPOSED to be taking grave risks. that’s what they signed on for. it’s just that society has evolved into a very messed up situation. I wouldn’t be a cop under any circumstances, let alone the current clusterfuck.[/quote]
You’re part of the problem. You’ll bitch and complain but you won’t take action. You’re a bad apple through inaction.
May 31, 2020 at 4:45 PM #817703Participant[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=svelte]You’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.[/quote]
citizens have no duty to rescue. You could be dying in the street and i could walk over your body with no repercussions.
Cops on the other hand arguably have a duty to rescue. So if they see someone in distress, they are legally required (some believe) to rescue.
Also, only an idiot would have assaulted the police in that situation.
If floyd had died with no witnesses, I guaranfuckingtee you those other officers would not have ratted out their buddy. 100% guarantee. Hell, it wouldn’t have been “apparent” anything wrong was done. Guy was “resisting” we tried to restrain, him, he basically brought it on himself.
And the police report would have been fictional. and signed off by all involved. There is zero doubt in my mind as to that.
Maybe policing wouldnt be as dangerous if we hadn’t created a militaristic police state with a seriously disenfranchised underclass.
But it is what it is. The police are SUPPOSED to be taking grave risks. that’s what they signed on for. it’s just that society has evolved into a very messed up situation. I wouldn’t be a cop under any circumstances, let alone the current clusterfuck.[/quote]
You’re part of the problem. You’ll bitch and complain but you won’t take action. You’re a bad apple through inaction.[/quote]
i suppose, in part. This is a pretty big systemic problem, complicated by the reality that it is divided up into thousands of local cultural subsets and departments.
Kinda like blaming some dopey commuter for global warming for driving his escalade.
in my humble opinion, saying this is just a “bad apple” cop and the average cop would’ve turned this guy in, is just absurd. they by and large tolerate misbehavior from their cohorts, same as they would in the military at war. us against them. they would die for each other. having such close relationships is part of the pleasure of the work.
frankly im jealous of that. i would love to experience that. I am far too physically weak and introspective and hesitant to ever be a police officer. I would last 12 minutes.
reportedly there were 18 civilian complaints against the killer. maybe we will find out how many co-officer complaints there were. My money is on ZERO.
I never said all cops are assholes. I woudl say virtually all cops stick together, especially ina situation where there is any possible ambiguity and there is little chance of being detected…but even if there isn’t, they keep their mouths shut. that is the culture.
hell even in corporate america you don’t move up the chain by making a lot of HR complaints.
a change in culture might be one where officers are REWARDED for making allegations that can be substantiated against one another. like a crimestopper reward.
promote successful snitches.
make partners rotate very frequently, so they don’t become personally attached to one another.
The odds of that happening; very very very low. i hate to say zero, but…zero.
have them regularly review allegations of misconduct and show them regular firings involving misconduct to show the seriousness of the matter of getting a verifiable complaint.
and the song fuck tha police does not reflect my personal feelings; it’s just alarming that it reflects so many citizen’s feelings….
seems like only yesterday the polcie were in such a tizzy about disrespectful colin kaepernick. cop union wanted to boycott the games. funny…
“the union for police officers who work San Francisco home games says its members may boycott policing the stadium if the 49ers don’t discipline Colin Kaepernick for refusing to stand during the national anthem and for his statements about law enforcement….”
kind of hilarious in a dark way….cops definitely are not good at taking criticism.
and seriously, I think the cop has a good chance of walking…so why is there any need for his fellow officers to report him? he hired the philando castile case lawyer, so the lawyer knows how to win. i’d lay odds, 60/40 he walks.
May 31, 2020 at 4:47 PM #817704outtamojo
Participanta whole room full of cops applauded when trump suggested being rough with suspects.
May 31, 2020 at 4:56 PM #817705Participant[quote=outtamojo]a whole room full of cops applauded when trump suggested being rough with suspects.[/quote]
i think the truth is, in our hearts, though we won’t admit it, we all like to see a little pretrial rough justice. it seems…just. we are not robots. neither are cops.
should not a bad violent man get a little ass whupping upon arrest? Would that violate your sense of justice? not law, not procedure, not the constitution…but your own sense of rightness…
if you can carefully look in your own heart to see if that feeling is in yourself…and i think it’s there, if just a little kernel of it…might it not also exist in a cop’s heart too?
and if we want it to stop, the penalty for doing it must be more than nothing. because that’s where we are at. this case, on video, national riots, worst case scenario–may walk. but the little ones, where they don’t die…
nothing. no worries.
May 31, 2020 at 4:57 PM #817706ParticipantYes we all have feelings and judgments but as professionals, we should be…professional.
May 31, 2020 at 5:04 PM #817707Participant[quote=outtamojo]Yes we all have feelings and judgment but as professionals, we should be…professional.[/quote]
i dont’ even know what the word “professional” means.
really good at?
specific licensing requirements?
oversight by governing body of similar professionals?
certainly their profession is not governed by us and
does not significantly penalize roughing up suspects under most circumstances when they dont die.you have to really screw up. if you want more professional behavior, you need way more accountability, way more fear from the cops amongst each other and their employer. That’s just not the culture.
we dont control the police. they control us. I’m not sure what it would really take to change their culture. Probably the only thing that would possibly work is financial pressure through litigation that would eventually cause them to lose funding.
but that’s not an avenue the courts will allow.
for now, they a re their own profession with their own code of conduct and they dont’ particualrly have to answer to me or you. or anyone, really.
May 31, 2020 at 5:13 PM #817708svelteParticipantThis is more like the officers I’ve known:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/us/flint-michigan-protest-police-trnd/index.html
Truly good people who took the job for much the same reason that firemen and health care workers often do: they like to help people.
I know 3 San Diego police officers. One I worked with before he joined the force. He’s a bit of a wild man and that has caused him an issue on the force which I’ve read about in the paper. He’s black and seems to have calmed down as he’s gotten older.
The other two I became friends with in other social circles and we hit it off with them and their wives, so we socialize a lot. I’d trust them with anything of mine. I cannot imagine them doing anything even remotely unethical and the stories they can tell – San Diego has some crazy shit go on!
I can also tell you that every time – every time! – we go out with them, someone in the restaurant or concert will pull them aside and start talking. When I ask who that was, it is almost always a fellow officer.
So….the light bulb went off. If there is an officer at every public place we go to with them, there is one at every public place we go to without them also. So you’ve no doubt run into a lot of them too. You’re just not aware of it.
And I still say – if you truly believe something is corrupt and you do nothing, you’re a part of the problem. Take action if you’re so convinced there is a better way. That is way more productive than typing on a real estate forum.
May 31, 2020 at 5:23 PM #817709Participant[quote=svelte]This is more like the officers I’ve known:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/us/flint-michigan-protest-police-trnd/index.html
Truly good people who took the job for much the same reason that firemen and health care workers often do: they like to help people.
I know 3 San Diego police officers. One I worked with before he joined the force. He’s a bit of a wild man and that has caused him an issue on the force which I’ve read about in the paper. He’s black and seems to have calmed down as he’s gotten older.
The other two I became friends with in other social circles and we hit it off with them and their wives, so we socialize a lot. I’d trust them with anything of mine. I cannot imagine them doing anything even remotely unethical and the stories they can tell – San Diego has some crazy shit go on!
I can also tell you that every time – every time! – we go out with them, someone in the restaurant or concert will pull them aside and start talking. When I ask who that was, it is almost always a fellow officer.
So….the light bulb went off. If there is an officer at every public place we go to with them, there is one at every public place we go to without them also. So you’ve no doubt run into a lot of them too. You’re just not aware of it.
And I still say – if you truly believe something is corrupt and you do nothing, you’re a part of the problem. Take action if you’re so convinced there is a better way. That is way more productive than typing on a real estate forum.[/quote]
true. at the end of the day, although I know in my heart this is not a good system, it is working out very well for me. there is zero chance i would protest. I enjoy the way things are. I know it is wrong though.
this conflict makes me uneasy. but not enough to take any personal risk.
ask them if the first few years on the job, they wouldve ratted out chauvin. see if you believe their answer.
they would not. america does not reward speaking truth to power.
May 31, 2020 at 5:23 PM #817710ParticipantKinda odd that cops cant/wont clean up their profession but we expect a random on a real estate blog to clean things up for them.
May 31, 2020 at 6:07 PM #817713svelteParticipant[quote=outtamojo]Kinda odd that cops cant/wont clean up their profession but we expect a random on a real estate blog to clean things up for them.[/quote]
I think your premise is wrong. The vast majority of officers are good people. I’ve interacted with them socially and sometimes I’ve been visited by the men in blue. Mostly in my younger days. 🙂
Only once did I feel I was dealing with a dishonest cop. He was a San Diego police officer and what he told me was outright lies and he knew they were lies.
All of my other interactions have been positive with officers I felt were doing their best given a tough situation. And their inclination was to give me a break.
I would suggest this – for those of you who believe that officers are corrupt, go do a ride-along! See what they have to deal with day in and day out. If I had their job, I would go home and not sleep all night staring at the ceiling. They have to deal with the worst society has to offer every single day. This is especially true with big city cops.
Small city cops have it much easier. It’s more of an Andy Griffith feel. I know that from interactions with northern CA, NV, and OK officers. In northern CA I worked the all night shift while going to school in a mid-sized town. Officers would come in during the night to check on me and shoot the breeze during their break. These were very fine individuals and it pains me to see them thrown in the same bucket as those that are evil.
Even here is San Marcos I’ve interacted with them a few times. These guys are on a short leash. While they were talking with me, the dispatcher already had another couple of tasks lined up for them. Their time was really stretched thin. They were in regular contact with the main office and consulted with them before taking action in most cases. Things are well documented now, and that’s in addition to the body cams officers now wear. Out of curiosity, I’ve bought one and wear it when I walk the dog. Body cams are a ton of fun. And they keep honest people honest.
May 31, 2020 at 6:16 PM #817714Hobie
ParticipantHow about comply, and sue their ass off later if the cops are wrong?
May 31, 2020 at 6:19 PM #817715ParticipantCops have to deal with the shit society 99% of the time. I may tend to bias them. They are not always the problem.
Like I said earlier, don’t do stuff that will attract a cop… pass bad check, resist, mouth off, you get the idea.
You will make $ if you comply and they are in the wrong with cameras everywhere.
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