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November 21, 2016 at 11:29 AM #803919November 21, 2016 at 11:36 AM #803920
CoronitaParticipant[quote=flu][quote=bearishgurl]btw, the following Toyota products are made in the USA:
Toy Tacoma (formerly “Hi-Lux”)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tacoma
Toy Tundra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tundra
Toy Camry (mostly made in USA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Camry%5B/quote%5D
Yes, but your Lexus, and just about every Lexus is 90%+ made in japan with japanese parts. Because Toyota has always made their premium Lexus brand vehicles in Japan because that’s their way of wanting to guaranteeing quality. That’s how Lexus started, and they’ve never deviated from that. Even in modern times. Again, facts and real data.
http://kogodbusiness.com/reports/auto-index/
Your Lexus LS definitely has almost no US parts content OEM and definitely was 0% made in USA.
A Lexus is as “un-American” a car as it can possibly get, if you really care about it.[/quote]
Made in America: Most and Least American Cars
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/american-cars/story?id=13801165
2011’s Least American Cars Per Percentage of Parts:1. Honda – CR-Z, Fit and Insight: 0% Made in US
2. Suzuki – SX4 Sedan & Hatchback: 0% Made in US
3. Subaru – Forester & Impreza: 0% Made in US
4. Mazda – 2, 3-4D, CX-7, MX-5 Miata and RX-8: 0% Made in US
5. Mitsubishi – Lancer Evolution, Lancer/Sportback and Lancer Relliart/Sportback: 0% Made in US
6. Nissan – 370Z Coupe, Cube, GT-R, Leaf, Murano, Quest, Juke and Rogue: 0% Made in US
7. Infiniti – EX 35, FX 35/50, G37, M37/56 and QX56: 0% Made in US
8. Lexus – CT200h, ES350, GS350/460, GS450h, GX, HS250h, IS, ISC/ISF, LFA, LS460, LS600h, LX570 and RX HV: 0% Made in US
9. SCION – tC, xB and xD: 0% Made in US
10. Toyota – 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Highlander HV, Scion iQ, Land Cruiser, Prius, Yaris H/B, Yaris S/D: 0% Made in US
11. Volvo – C30, C70, S40, S60, V50 and V70: 1% Made in US
12. Hyundai – Tucson: 1% Made in US
13. Suzuki – Grand Vitara: 1% Made in US
14. Hyundai – Azera, Elantra “MD,” Elantra Touring and Equus: 1% Made in US
15. Kia – Sportage: 1% Made in US
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. So, like I said, people that drive one of these aren’t doing their part to help american workers, if they really cared about it and really wanted to do something about it.
Those nice tariffs will also affect you next time if your Lexus LS needs parts. Because your choices will be
some cheap knockoff from Oreilly/Advance autoparts (which are made either in China or India)..Or if you really insist on Toyota OEM, those would be from Japan.November 21, 2016 at 11:36 AM #803921bearishgurl
Participantflu, once again . . . are YOU driving any American-made vehicles? And, once again, do you think that someone who buys a used vehicle from a private party is contributing to a foreign company’s profits??
November 21, 2016 at 11:44 AM #803922spdrun
ParticipantI’d have to side with flu on that one. You’re creating resale value when you buy used. Resale value is part of the reason why the company can sell the new car at near the MSRP to begin with.
The previous owner is essentially just a middleman between the dealer/company and you.
November 21, 2016 at 11:52 AM #803924FlyerInHi
GuestWhy box yourself to “made in”. Look at quality and buy what you like. That’s what freedom is about.
November 21, 2016 at 11:53 AM #803923CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl]flu, once again . . . are YOU driving any American-made vehicles? And, once again, do you think that someone who buys a used vehicle from a private party is contributing to a foreign company’s profits??[/quote]
Well, for starters BG. I’m not the one complaining about american manufacturing job losses, or suggesting we should impose tariffs or punish companies for not using more american labor, you are. So I’m not the hypocrite, you are.
But, even though I am not suggesting that, I am still doing more than you are. And here’s why
I have 4 cars
1. My BMW X5 is most certainly made in the USA, as all BMW SUV’s are.. Spartansburg, South Carolina to be exact. In fact, it was part of my decision, because the other vehicle comparable at the time was a Ford Edge (which is made in Canada), and the Ford Explorer was not an option at the time.
2. The 1994 Mazda Miata was a $2000 used car saved from the scrapyard, that was originally 100% made in japan. But, on top of that I put in a $4500 supercharger kit that consists of an American made Eaton MP-62 supercharger, and a kit that was assembled by an Arizona based small company, who’s owner even drove down from Arizona to San Diego to help me with the install. Nicest, most ethical man i met, BTW. In addition, I spent about $800 on suspension components from Flyin Miata in Colorado that makes many of their own components. And my $1000 brake system consists for HAWK pads on Wilwood Rotors (which I have yet to install) Again, all american made.
3. The beater mercedes, when purchased new, was assembled in Alabama, and has 35% parts content from the US.
4. That leaves my 2000 Audi, which I admit, I purchased back when I was a kid and didn’t know better what it means to buy more american.
5. There is technically a 5th car, that really isn’t mine. I bought it for my dad when he turned 70, it sits at my home in the garage.
So again, BG, you have options to really help american manufacturing, if you really wanted to. But again, the question is will you, or do you expect everyone else to?
But don’t take my word for it. If you really want to test your argument, why don’t you drive your lexus to the next UAW meeting and leave it outside 🙂
November 21, 2016 at 12:02 PM #803925CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]Why box yourself to “made in”. Look at quality and buy what you like. That’s what freedom is about.[/quote]
I agree. But some people trying to argument both points which end up contradicting things.
They want trade tariffs and punish for made/assembled goods, and yet at the same time, they don’t want to buy a Ford/GM/Dodge(Fiat, whatever). I don’t get it. At least be consistent when you spend with your wallet.
Have you seen what UAW does to a Lexus if you try to bring it to meeting? Lol
Tariffs and taxes are great..Until they start to impact your own wallet, and you have to pay a lot more for something you thought wouldn’t affect you..And then, you’l be just as ticked off and anyone else that realized the implications a lot sooner than you did..lol…
November 21, 2016 at 12:03 PM #803926ParticipantIt would be fun to covertly rebadge some American cars at a UAW conclave and place a hidden camera. Magnetic Japanese car badges that fit over Ford or Chebby badges.
November 21, 2016 at 12:04 PM #803927Participant[quote=spdrun]I’d have to side with flu on that one. You’re creating resale value when you buy used. Resale value is part of the reason why the company can sell the new car at near the MSRP to begin with.
The previous owner is essentially just a middleman between the dealer/company and you.[/quote]Ok, fair enough. I’ve bought 9 vehicles used in my lifetime (8 Toy/Lexus and 1 Honda). I was the third owner on most of them. I also sold all of them off my driveway for a decent sum to another private party. All but one were still running fine when I sold them.
Can any Pigg here comment authoritatively on Subaru’s CVT (reliability, being “overtaxed” on hilly mountain roads daily, etc). I’m really leaning towards “retiring” in the mtns. El Dorado County, CA is still on my shortlist :=D with “Gold Country” towns (along SR-49) also under consideration. My next vehicle has to last the rest of my life (or until my Driver License is taken away from me, whichever happens first) :=0
Late model/new Lexuses are a bit too rich for my pocketbook and I was planning on paying cash for my next vehicle. However, Toyota Motor Credit financing at zero percent for up to 60 months (on new vehicles only) sounds like it might be doable . . . that is, AFTER my youngest graduates from college.
November 21, 2016 at 12:10 PM #803928ParticipantWhy not get one of the last 6-cyl Subarus with the 4EAT/5EAT automatic used, if you’re so dead-set on avoiding a 4-banger?
November 21, 2016 at 12:10 PM #803929livinincali
Participant[quote=flu]
They want trade tariffs and punish for made/assembled goods, and yet at the same time, they don’t want to buy a Ford/GM/Dodge(Fiat, whatever). I don’t get it. At least be consistent when you spend with your wallet.Have you seen what UAW does to a Lexus if you try to bring it to meeting? Lol
Tariffs and taxes are great..Until they start to impact your own wallet, and you have to pay a lot more for something you thought wouldn’t affect you..And then, you’l be just as ticked off and anyone else that realized the implications a lot sooner than you did..lol…[/quote]
Yup. The American consumer and their desire for cheaper not better drove manufacturing and many small businesses out of the country. Bitch about Walmart wages, demand tariffs, and want manufacturing back but will scream bloody murder when those changes lower their purchasing power.
November 21, 2016 at 12:18 PM #803931scaredyclassic
Participanti will pay 25 percent more for usa made reproduction of vintage american clothing than japanese made reproductions of american clothing.
however, i want a lexus.
November 21, 2016 at 12:18 PM #803932Participant[quote=flu][quote=FlyerInHi]Why box yourself to “made in”. Look at quality and buy what you like. That’s what freedom is about.[/quote]
I agree. But some people trying to argument both points which end up contradicting things.
They want trade tariffs and punish for made/assembled goods, and yet at the same time, they don’t want to buy a Ford/GM/Dodge(Fiat, whatever). I don’t get it. At least be consistent when you spend with your wallet.
Have you seen what UAW does to a Lexus if you try to bring it to meeting? Lol
Tariffs and taxes are great..Until they start to impact your own wallet, and you have to pay a lot more for something you thought wouldn’t affect you..And then, you’l be just as ticked off and anyone else that realized the implications a lot sooner than you did..lol…[/quote]If you’re (covertly and overtly) referring to me, here, flu, I have never suggested tariffs as punishment for US companies manufacturing overseas who want to sell their goods to Americans. That is our President Elect’s platform. I like the fact that more of those “flyoverian deplorables” (spd’s words) will again have living wage jobs available in or near their hometowns under a Trump administration but I’m not in charge of how this is actually accomplished. To me, it doesn’t matter. That’s the Trump administration’s bailiwick. You’re giving me way to much credit, here.
Also, me (and no doubt hundreds of other Piggs, incl yourself) were buying foreign-made vehicles lo-o-o-ong before a Trump presidency was a twinkle in anyone’s eye. I last bought a (used) vehicle in 1999. I cannot undo the purchase now, nor would I want to.
I’m open to considering American-made AWD/4WD vehicles but for my purposes, I haven’t seen very many of those in the places in the mountains I would want to live in (except to pull horse trailers and the like). The Toy Tundra and American-made full-size pickups are nice (gas guzzlers) but they have too long of a wheel base to turn on the mountain trails without making a lot of (dangerous) maneuvers (kinda fun to watch :=]). The Colorado favorite in the high Rockies is the Toy FJ Cruiser. Unfortunately, Toyota stopped making them after model year 2013 and they are the type of vehicle which is seldom found on the resale market (unless they have been reduced to parts) :=0
November 21, 2016 at 12:20 PM #803933Participant[quote=spdrun]Why not get one of the last 6-cyl Subarus with the 4EAT/5EAT automatic used, if you’re so dead-set on avoiding a 4-banger?[/quote]Can you cite the model(s)/year(s) you’re talking about?
November 21, 2016 at 12:25 PM #803935Participant[quote=livinincali][quote=flu]
They want trade tariffs and punish for made/assembled goods, and yet at the same time, they don’t want to buy a Ford/GM/Dodge(Fiat, whatever). I don’t get it. At least be consistent when you spend with your wallet.Have you seen what UAW does to a Lexus if you try to bring it to meeting? Lol
Tariffs and taxes are great..Until they start to impact your own wallet, and you have to pay a lot more for something you thought wouldn’t affect you..And then, you’l be just as ticked off and anyone else that realized the implications a lot sooner than you did..lol…[/quote]
Yup. The American consumer and their desire for cheaper not better drove manufacturing and many small businesses out of the country. Bitch about Walmart wages, demand tariffs, and want manufacturing back but will scream bloody murder when those changes lower their purchasing power.[/quote]This might apply to consumer goods, livinincali, but it does NOT necessarily apply to foreign-made vehicles, which tend to be MORE expensive than their American-made counterparts. People who shop for foreign-made vehicles are looking for quality and reliability above price and also each foreign brand has its fans (like myself) as well as its detractors.
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