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August 26, 2006 at 8:43 PM #33457August 26, 2006 at 9:21 PM #33461L_Thek_onomicsParticipant
Strange. You came from a communist country, so I. The only
similarity I see is the american left’s fairly successful drive to
intrude into private business and personal decisions, curiculum
of public schools, restricting parental rights, substituting morality
with legality and the story goes on… I didn’t hear any concrete
example (except bumper sticker whining) of violations of civil
rights during this administartion, maybe a few terrorists feel
that way, so be it…
L ThekAugust 26, 2006 at 9:36 PM #33463PerryChaseParticipantI’ve noticed that intellectually minded people are quite rational and are willing to consider the issues carefully. Ideologues just have faith that their leaders have the right answers to everything. Their lives must be very simple black and white.
I don’t understand anymore how anyone can be Republican and conservative at the same time.
Conservatives support:
– Small government
– Low spending and saving for the rainy days
– Free markets
– No government intrusion into private matters
– No nation building
– Privacy protection
– State Rights
– Freedoms guaranteed by the constitution
– Separation of Church and StateRepublicans support:
– Nation building in Iraq
– Unlimited debt spending
– Power of government to review private records
– Warrantless wiretapping of American citizens
– Prayer in school
– Federal intervention into private family matters
– Bailing out of powerful businesses interests
– Funneling public money to religious organizationsThe Republican Party today is not the party I used to know.
August 26, 2006 at 9:54 PM #33464bgatesParticipantWhen you say ‘very simple black or white’ is that a bad thing?
Since you just described half the voting public as “religious fanatics hell-bent on imposing their values on everyone else” it’s hard to tell whether you’re in favor of overgeneralizations or not. Or it could be that you don’t think things through very carefully before you post on politics. That’s certainly the impression I got the last time you tried your hand at the subject.August 26, 2006 at 10:06 PM #33465PerryChaseParticipantI was referring to the cross on Mt. Soledad. The Republican Congress acted for no other reason but to preserve the cross undoing almost two decades of due process. If that’s not imposing values, then I don’t know what is.
August 26, 2006 at 10:09 PM #33466L_Thek_onomicsParticipantAnother strange comment. Conservative was never equal republacan, nor the opposite. The republicans are tolerant enough to welcome even liberals. “No nation building” was never a conservative principle. As I learned history, conservatives helped to build Germany and Japan. Nationalists and isolationists are against free markets, not republicans. The Clinton administration helped to bail out the savings and loan industry. The Enron cocroaches were jailed under a republican administration. I’m tired…
Stop the emotional, irrational bumper sticker crap, please.
L ThekAugust 27, 2006 at 2:09 AM #33472CardiffBaseballParticipantProbably plug my nose and vote GOP. I’d like to see the border closed, but I don’t see anyone in this pack willing to take that on.
Wiretapping helped catch the enemy recently and avert a new attack. There are people who want us dead, and have wanted this long before we took out Sadaam. Iran is surrounded, Isreal has about 400 nukes, so hopefully we can encourage a rising up in that nation, as the Ayatollahs get kicked to the curb.
I am just glad that the evangelicals wishing to impose their ways on us, havent’s issued Fatwa’s, or declared Jihad’s against us. Surely we must all be in fear of our lives from these bible thumpers, after all it says right there in the new testament to slaughter the infidels, right? I guess I didn’t realize just how much the christians are like the muslims.
All Praise be to Allah.
August 27, 2006 at 8:06 AM #33478AnonymousGuestMy family and I are off to church, so I’ll be brief.
Perry, Federal review and involvement is allowed under our system, and has done some fine things in the past (forced integration). San Diegans voted twice to keep the cross, and an unhappy minority who thinks that they have a right to not be offended attempted to use nutty judges for their cause. They lost; too bad.
Yep, the Republicans have lost their moorings on smaller government, lower spending, and closing the borders. But, they’ll see the light and return to form during the upcoming recession/depression.
August 27, 2006 at 8:18 AM #33481carlislematthewParticipantI didn’t hear any concrete
example (except bumper sticker whining) of violations of civil
rights during this administartion, maybe a few terrorists feel
that way, so be it…Are you suggesting that American citizens that feel their civil rights have been reduced are terrorists? Or sympathize with terrorists?
August 27, 2006 at 8:29 AM #33483carlislematthewParticipantWiretapping helped catch the enemy recently and avert a new attack.
There’s a HUGE difference between wiretapping and WARRANTLESS wiretapping. There are very very few people that disagree with all wiretapping, and I haven’t heard a single democrat say that wiretapping is bad.
What they *are* saying is that the executive branch of government wiretapped Americans without a warrant which, they believe, he is required to obtain by law. There is debate over this issue of course…
Unfortunately, the argument is not simple, or black and white. Therefore it has been easy for Republicans, and the oblivious masses, to suggest that Democrats are against wiretapping. They’re not, they just want the president to obey the law. If the law isn’t good enough (too slow, too boring, too orange, whatever) then the Republican president can go to the Republican congress and get the law changed. Then he can follow it.
Unfortunately, the Democrats just come across as being whiney and pedantic, when they’re actually making very important points. When I get all annoyed about people using “insure” when they mean “ensure” I feel like a Democrat. When I look at my pay check and see my tax bill, I *don’t* feel like a Democrat.
August 27, 2006 at 9:02 AM #33488L_Thek_onomicsParticipant“Are you suggesting that American citizens that feel their civil rights have been reduced are terrorists? Or sympathize with terrorists?”
I’m not suggesting anything like that. But the way you phrased your response proves the shaky ground of the argument. You don’t know your rights are violated, you “feel” it. On the other side I know, my civil rights are not violated by any means.
L Thek
August 27, 2006 at 9:51 AM #33500carlislematthewParticipantI’m not suggesting anything like that. But the way you phrased your response proves the shaky ground of the argument. You don’t know your rights are violated, you “feel” it. On the other side I know, my civil rights are not violated by any means.
The single reason I asked is that your post was not clear. I was asking for clarification… You have to ask these days, as sometimes a deliberate vagueness (which yours wasn’t) can imply things without having to specifically state them.
August 27, 2006 at 10:51 AM #33507ybcParticipantThe one democrat that I really like is Senator Obama. I read his speech from time to time — he’s a great writer!
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/I think that he has intellect, judgement, compassion, and humility that’s lacking in our leaders. I’m waiting to see if he’s as skilled a politician and leader. I hope so.
August 27, 2006 at 11:31 AM #33509Stu949ParticipantI agree with a couple of people on here. I’m going independent or libertarian. I feel there is no hope for the two major parties at this point!
Some may feel that my vote will be wasted; however, I march to my own drum. When I listen to others, I become as miserable as them.
August 27, 2006 at 12:35 PM #33531Chris JohnstonParticipantChris Johnston
iamafuturestrader.comWhen are we going to get to religion so we can get a jihad going against RE insiders?
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