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June 2, 2011 at 4:15 AM #701792June 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM #700881
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Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.
June 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM #700979Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.
June 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM #701572Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.
June 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM #701721Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.
June 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM #702083Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.
June 3, 2011 at 12:59 AM #700920CA renter
Participant[quote=socrattt][quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.[/quote]
Yes, good post, Eugene, but I have to agree with socratt — BOTH parties are beholden to the same puppet master(s). Unless we can get **clean** candidates in front of the people, and somehow convince everyone, agaist all odds, to vote for them, we will still be in a very bad place.
Personally, I’d like to see more candidates like Bernie Sanders, Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader out there. At least Sen. Sanders is standing up for U.S. citizens. I think they actually have integrity, which is a rare commodity in D.C.
June 3, 2011 at 12:59 AM #701019Participant[quote=socrattt][quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.[/quote]
Yes, good post, Eugene, but I have to agree with socratt — BOTH parties are beholden to the same puppet master(s). Unless we can get **clean** candidates in front of the people, and somehow convince everyone, agaist all odds, to vote for them, we will still be in a very bad place.
Personally, I’d like to see more candidates like Bernie Sanders, Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader out there. At least Sen. Sanders is standing up for U.S. citizens. I think they actually have integrity, which is a rare commodity in D.C.
June 3, 2011 at 12:59 AM #701611Participant[quote=socrattt][quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.[/quote]
Yes, good post, Eugene, but I have to agree with socratt — BOTH parties are beholden to the same puppet master(s). Unless we can get **clean** candidates in front of the people, and somehow convince everyone, agaist all odds, to vote for them, we will still be in a very bad place.
Personally, I’d like to see more candidates like Bernie Sanders, Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader out there. At least Sen. Sanders is standing up for U.S. citizens. I think they actually have integrity, which is a rare commodity in D.C.
June 3, 2011 at 12:59 AM #701761Participant[quote=socrattt][quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.[/quote]
Yes, good post, Eugene, but I have to agree with socratt — BOTH parties are beholden to the same puppet master(s). Unless we can get **clean** candidates in front of the people, and somehow convince everyone, agaist all odds, to vote for them, we will still be in a very bad place.
Personally, I’d like to see more candidates like Bernie Sanders, Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader out there. At least Sen. Sanders is standing up for U.S. citizens. I think they actually have integrity, which is a rare commodity in D.C.
June 3, 2011 at 12:59 AM #702123Participant[quote=socrattt][quote=Eugene][quote=CA renter]Right, paramount.
Are we growing, or are prices simply getting higher (our purchasing power is deteriorating)? One is good, the other is very, very bad. Which one do you think it is?[/quote]
Yes, we are growing, for now. GDP is still growing in real terms (in other words, after adjusting for price changes). Things could be worse. UK GDP actually shrunk for a quarter last fall. Greece and possibly Spain (not sure) are, technically, still in recession.
That may not last long, though: Republicans are out in full power once again, demanding immediate austerity (including abolishing Medicare and cutting Medicaid) and blocking the debt ceiling increase unless they get what they want, perfectly willing to burn the house even if it falls on their own heads. In the mean time, Obama administration has been a total failure, completely conceding to Republican pseudoscience and failing to exert any effort to resolve this horrible situation.
Krugman calls it 1937 all over again. Given his excellent track record, I see no reason to disagree with him. I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again. (And, just for the record, I’ve been mostly all-stock since January 2009.)
The general problem is that Republicans are almost sure to oppose almost any government move that might prevent the double-dip recession. For example, a rerun of 2009 stimulus would be extremely effective, and today, when the economy isn’t losing jobs at the fastest rate since 1930’s, it could result in immediate and obvious results (lower unemployment, higher consumer spending). But is there any chance of getting another $1 trillion (6% of GDP) of short-term deficit spending through the Congress, for a chance to end the Great Recession here and now? None at all.
Sensible, intelligent left-wing economists have been trying to catalogue things that could be done now, in spite of Republican stonewalling in the House
But I wouldn’t be holding my fingers crossed for any of that to be actually implemented by the Obama administration.[/quote]
Eugene, a very intelligent response indeed, but I think we are all working against forces that are much greater than the powers that be. Obama seems to have lost all control. The question remains, who is the real puppet master?
We can blame parties at any level, but the truth is raising the debt ceiling or floating more funny money won’t cure the problem, but will simply enable it to create an even bigger one down the line. So it would seem moot to say that left wing economists can help at this point. The GDP isn’t much of a tell tale sign of the economy, but would make a great comic book story. We’ve got big problems on the horizon that neither side can fix. If America has any shot at curing a massive deficit and remaining a super power it would have to take an act of Superman. The only real way to win a political and economic war in the U.S. would be to remove both parties and find an adequate replacement…that won’t happen. Plan B, there isn’t one.[/quote]
Yes, good post, Eugene, but I have to agree with socratt — BOTH parties are beholden to the same puppet master(s). Unless we can get **clean** candidates in front of the people, and somehow convince everyone, agaist all odds, to vote for them, we will still be in a very bad place.
Personally, I’d like to see more candidates like Bernie Sanders, Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader out there. At least Sen. Sanders is standing up for U.S. citizens. I think they actually have integrity, which is a rare commodity in D.C.
August 8, 2011 at 9:15 AM #715928all
ParticipantIt’s not like we were not warned 🙂
[quote=Eugene]I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again.[/quote]
August 8, 2011 at 9:15 AM #716020ParticipantIt’s not like we were not warned 🙂
[quote=Eugene]I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again.[/quote]
August 8, 2011 at 9:15 AM #716618ParticipantIt’s not like we were not warned 🙂
[quote=Eugene]I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again.[/quote]
August 8, 2011 at 9:15 AM #716769ParticipantIt’s not like we were not warned 🙂
[quote=Eugene]I’ll give it two weeks. Unless the White House comes up with some kind of radical program to jump-start the economy in the next two weeks, or a sensible deal is reached with the GOP that does not involve any significant spending cuts right now (as opposed to any deferred spending cuts delayed till unemployment goes below 6% – which is the right way to go), on June 16, 2011, I’m going all-cash again.[/quote]
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