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October 24, 2017 at 7:02 AM #22436October 24, 2017 at 8:53 AM #808221
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ParticipantI’ll keep saying it until it’s too late:
As long as so many Americans get their “news” from propaganda outlets, nothing will get better. It will only get worse.
I’d like to do something instead of saying something, but I honestly don’t know what I can do. Any ideas would be appreciated.
October 24, 2017 at 10:00 AM #808224FlyerInHi
GuestTrump and an American style oligarchy is fine with the low-education White deporables. It’s the mafioso mentality where they want their godfathers to control the wealth and dole it out as patronage. That’s what they mean by bootstrapping. It’s a longing for the cowboys days of guns and free land, and the local sheriff making it rain or shine.
College and education, technology and culture, deliberate and purposeful hardwork in a modern sense, like Obama or khizr Khan are seen as elitist and un-American.
October 24, 2017 at 12:53 PM #808229ucodegen
ParticipantReading comprehension, reading comprehension. A quote:
With the entire Puerto Rican commonwealth in bankruptcy, and the utility itself in default on $9 billion in debt, spending for the recovery is drawing scrutiny from the Trump administration and Congress. Gov. Ricardo Rosselló and José Carrión, chairman of the federal oversight board created to resolve the island’s long-running financial crisis, were summoned to Washington last week for a meeting with the Office of Management and Budget.
FYI, Ricardo Rosselló is the current governor of Puerto Rico – and president of the New Progressive Party. José Carrión is the current chairman of the Financial Oversight and Management Board for Puerto Rico – recommended by House Speaker Paul Ryan. PREPA (Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority) is the one who made the decision to hire Whitefish:
The power authority, also known as PREPA, opted to hire Whitefish rather than activate the “mutual aid” arrangements it has with other utilities. For many years, such agreements have helped U.S. utilities — including those in Florida and Texas recently — to recover quickly after natural disasters.
Another interesting quote:
PREPA’s executive director, Ricardo Ramos, and a spokesman did not respond to emails asking why the utility didn’t activate the mutual-aid network. On a tour of the idled Palo Seco power plant, Ramos told reporters that Whitefish was the first company “available to arrive and they were the ones that first accepted terms and conditions for PREPA.”
Ramos said that the utility is “completely content” with the work Whitefish is doing. “The doubts that have been raised about Whitefish, from my point of view, are completely unfounded,” he added, saying that concerns about Whitefish were probably spread by jealous competitors.Two comments here: ones that first accepted terms and conditions for PREPA? and jealous competitors??
The first one ‘terms and conditions’ sounds almost like some sort of kick back to Puerto Rican authorities and politicians – instead of just ‘git ‘er done’.
Jealous competitors sounds more like trying to divert attention.
Now some numbers – further down:
$330/hour site supervisor ($653,400/yr) – there will be more than one ‘site’
$227.88/hour journeyman lineman ($451,202/yr)
$462/hour subcontractor site supervisor ($914,760/yr)
$319.04/hour subcontractor lineman ($631699/yr)
Accommodation(per diem): $332/night, almost $80/day for food.It also looks like most of the people doing the work may be native Puerto Ricans:
Whitefish said Monday that it has 280 workers in the territory, using linemen from across the country, most of them as subcontractors, and that the number grows on average from 10 to 20 people a day.
Looks like a lot of ‘padding’ there and I don’t think that the people doing the work are actually getting paid that. If we look at an earlier Whitefish contract – it was a DOE contract for replacing a ‘metal pole’ structure and splicing in 3 miles of new conductor and overhead ground wire (rewiring towers – for 3 miles) for a total of $172,000. This is a very low price for that type of work. Another previous contract was to Upgrade and replace part of a 4.8 mile transmission line in Arizona – for $1.3mil. I suspect that PREPA and other Puerto Rican authorities were looking for suckers for a little ‘pay to play’ – to be future billed to the US Fed and ‘hidden’ in all of the costs for Puerto Rico’s recovery. Whitefish is a fairly new and young company and likely a novice to dealing with entities that demand types of kickbacks (don’t do it, don’t tolerate it, report it)
NOTE: As also shown in the article, another engineering firm ‘Fluor’ has a $240mil US Army Corps contract repairing the power grid. I would have more questions of Puerto Rican authorities than of the Trump administration because the Puerto Rican authorities signed up Whitefish inspite of a current federal contract. I do wonder how much work ‘Fluor’ has currently accomplished.
The current Trump administration has many problems, there is no need to attribute something to them that really doesn’t belong to them or their fault. It almost looks like Puerto Rican authorities tried to continue their ‘slush fund’ at the expense of Puerto Rico.
BTW: Allowing someone to work as a ‘flagger’ on a construction site is not much of a perk, nor high paying job. – full quote to your section:
Whitefish Energy is based in Whitefish, Mont., the home town of Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke. Its chief executive, Andy Techmanski, and Zinke acknowledge knowing one another — but only, Zinke’s office said in an email, because Whitefish is a small town where “everybody knows everybody.” One of Zinke’s sons “joined a friend who worked a summer job” at one of Techmanski’s construction sites, the email said. Whitefish said he worked as a “flagger.”
Another quote with respect to PREPA:
PREPA did not reach its agreement with Whitefish until Sept. 26, six days after the storm swept through. By comparison, the Florida utility FPL requested mutual aid before Hurricane Irma hit. The result was an army of nearly 20,000 restoration workers, including FPL employees, from 30 states and Canada at work on the first day.
On Oct. 1, FPL had teams assembled to assess damage in Puerto Rico. It posted notices in Spanish and English on its Facebook page: “FPL is ready to help Puerto Rico.” Florida Gov. Rick Scott mentioned the offer in a news release.
The Florida utility says it never received a reply. The Puerto Rican utility has not replied to offers of assistance from mutual-aid partners, according to the American Public Power Association, which coordinates such operations.October 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM #808230Anonymous
GuestLol, is there a point in there somewhere?
Two dudes who are pals with one of Trump’s cabinet members were handed a $300M contract for a business in which they have no track record, qualifications, or resources. No bidding, no diligence, no scrutiny.
The owners will easily take home at least $30 million, whether they perform or not.
This is third-world level crony capitalism, plain and simple.
October 24, 2017 at 6:18 PM #808241Participant[quote=harvey]Lol, is there a point in there somewhere?
Two dudes who are pals with one of Trump’s cabinet members were handed a $300M contract for a business in which they have no track record, qualifications, or resources. No bidding, no diligence, no scrutiny.
The owners will easily take home at least $30 million, whether they perform or not.
This is third-world level crony capitalism, plain and simple.[/quote]
The point is simple, looks like you really didn’t thoroughly read the article nor what I wrote. No prob. Simple sound-byte is that this ‘crony’ capitalism was actually done by the “New Progressive Party” president and current Governor of Puerto Rico Ricardo Rosselló and the current executive director of PREPA(Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority). Trump’s administration and Congress is currently putting the deal on review – calling Puerto Rico’s Governor and the current chairman of the Financial Oversight and Management Board for Puerto Rico in to Washington for a “talk” after the deal was signed between the Whitefish representative and PREPA’s executive director – Ricardo Ramos.This crony incident does not smell of Trump. The details are all in the article – from which my supportive quotes also came. Don’t worry, at some point in time, one of his cabinet may invoke ‘pay for play’ or demand some crony’ing up. I would rather keep things straight than attribute every problem to Trump – there are enough problems to go around – so maybe its time to ‘share the love’- to twist a common phrase.
As for Whitefish’s experience, they have most of their experience with very high voltage (approx 250,000 and up) line work using helicopters in mountainous areas. They don’t have much experience with large contracts though, particularly the size of this one – nor lower voltage city and small regional lines.
October 24, 2017 at 6:23 PM #808244spdrun
ParticipantMerits of the deal aside, I always chuckle at the phrase “draining the swamp.” A swamp is, in fact, a thriving, robust ecosystem. Draining one reduces it to a much less resilient monoculture.
Sort of what Trump is trying to do in DC, but I don’t think he realizes that the phrase is more apt than he intended.
October 24, 2017 at 6:29 PM #808245Participant[quote=spdrun]Merits of the deal aside, I always chuckle at the phrase “draining the swamp.” A swamp is, in fact, a thriving, robust ecosystem. Draining one reduces it to a much less resilient monoculture.
Sort of what Trump is trying to do in DC, but I don’t think he realizes that the phrase is more apt than he intended.[/quote]
I don’t know if you would want to align DC to biological cultures – if so, it might be more like what may be found in a cesspool or sewer, which may have its uses – but one probably doesn’t want to drink nor eat from it. It would also not be healthy for anyone to walk through unprotected.I think that sterilizing DC is better than to even allow a monoculture – or any other type of biological culture that only seeks to preserve its own needs.
October 24, 2017 at 6:41 PM #808246ParticipantStart outside of DC, in Arlington. There’s that five-sided building that’s sucking hundreds of billions a year and giving us corpses and invalids at the cost of stolen public funds.
October 24, 2017 at 7:45 PM #808248Guest[quote=ucodegen]This crony incident does not smell of Trump. The details are all in the article – from which my supportive quotes also came. Don’t worry, at some point in time, one of his cabinet may invoke ‘pay for play’ or demand some crony’ing up. I would rather keep things straight than attribute every problem to Trump – there are enough problems to go around – so maybe its time to ‘share the love’- to twist a common phrase.[/quote]
That’s some really pathetic deflection.
I never did attribute it directly to Trump. He’s the one that claimed he would end corruption with his hollow “drain the swamp,” along with with so many other ridiculous promises.
This is a shining example demonstrating that he’s either impotent or complicit – he himself probably doesn’t even know which.
If you really believe that it’s coincidental that this absurd “deal” in Puerto Rico just happens to involve some buddies from a small town in Montana then I have to say I’m rather impressed.
The cult of Trump is smashing every record for levels of naive and stupid.
October 24, 2017 at 10:22 PM #808251Guest[quote=spdrun]Start outside of DC, in Arlington. There’s that five-sided building that’s sucking hundreds of billions a year and giving us corpses and invalids at the cost of stolen public funds.[/quote]
When the decline of America is well recorded, they will point to the culprit, like what happened with the Soviets, except that nobody made us do it (America made the Soviets spend themselves militarily into bankruptcy). We would have done it to ourselves.
October 24, 2017 at 10:27 PM #808252Guest[quote=spdrun]Merits of the deal aside, I always chuckle at the phrase “draining the swamp.” A swamp is, in fact, a thriving, robust ecosystem. Draining one reduces it to a much less resilient monoculture.
Sort of what Trump is trying to do in DC, but I don’t think he realizes that the phrase is more apt than he intended.[/quote]
DC was a real swamp. It got drained and look at the beautiful French inspired buildings today.
October 24, 2017 at 11:17 PM #808256Participant[quote=harvey]
That’s some really pathetic deflection.
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Not deflection. I pointed to references – avoided insinuations. As to this – first you say you didn’t…
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I never did attribute it directly to Trump. He’s the one that claimed he would end corruption with his hollow “drain the swamp,” along with with so many other ridiculous promises.
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and then you did..
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If you really believe that it’s coincidental that this absurd “deal” in Puerto Rico just happens to involve some buddies from a small town in Montana then I have to say I’m rather impressed.[/quote]
I don’t accept that comments made in insinuation actually distance the author from what is said. You either said it or you didn’t — and insinuating is saying it.Personally I would rather say anything directly instead of from behind the back of my hand..
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