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May 19, 2010 at 10:59 AM #552798May 19, 2010 at 11:21 AM #551837anParticipant
[quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN]According to Bing, it’ll take you 19 minutes to downtown from PQ driving 65 mph.
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/?org=aj…%5B/quote%5DI’m sorry, I just don’t see this constellation. Not without a broomstick. Maybe 39 mins. at mid-morning π “Bing” is probably out of state.
There are some mornings I can’t even get to dtn. from NC (5 mi. away) in 19 mins!
Look at your Bing map again. Have you ever tried leaving bet. 7:00 and 7:30 a.m. for dtn. SD?? Just wondering.[/quote]
Have you ever driven South in the morning? I have. Just so you know, there’s is usually no traffic going South in the morning and going North in the afternoon, between South County and Sorrento area. The only way it’ll take you 40 minutes is if there a huge accident that close most of the lanes. Freeway is always faster than surface street if you don’t have traffic and if you live up here and work down there, they usually don’t have traffic.BTW, Bing is Microsoft. They calculate time based on distance and speed limit. If you don’t believe me, you can try and drive down from up here to DT at 7AM and tell me how it goes.
May 19, 2010 at 11:21 AM #551944anParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN]According to Bing, it’ll take you 19 minutes to downtown from PQ driving 65 mph.
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/?org=aj…%5B/quote%5DI’m sorry, I just don’t see this constellation. Not without a broomstick. Maybe 39 mins. at mid-morning π “Bing” is probably out of state.
There are some mornings I can’t even get to dtn. from NC (5 mi. away) in 19 mins!
Look at your Bing map again. Have you ever tried leaving bet. 7:00 and 7:30 a.m. for dtn. SD?? Just wondering.[/quote]
Have you ever driven South in the morning? I have. Just so you know, there’s is usually no traffic going South in the morning and going North in the afternoon, between South County and Sorrento area. The only way it’ll take you 40 minutes is if there a huge accident that close most of the lanes. Freeway is always faster than surface street if you don’t have traffic and if you live up here and work down there, they usually don’t have traffic.BTW, Bing is Microsoft. They calculate time based on distance and speed limit. If you don’t believe me, you can try and drive down from up here to DT at 7AM and tell me how it goes.
May 19, 2010 at 11:21 AM #552431anParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN]According to Bing, it’ll take you 19 minutes to downtown from PQ driving 65 mph.
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/?org=aj…%5B/quote%5DI’m sorry, I just don’t see this constellation. Not without a broomstick. Maybe 39 mins. at mid-morning π “Bing” is probably out of state.
There are some mornings I can’t even get to dtn. from NC (5 mi. away) in 19 mins!
Look at your Bing map again. Have you ever tried leaving bet. 7:00 and 7:30 a.m. for dtn. SD?? Just wondering.[/quote]
Have you ever driven South in the morning? I have. Just so you know, there’s is usually no traffic going South in the morning and going North in the afternoon, between South County and Sorrento area. The only way it’ll take you 40 minutes is if there a huge accident that close most of the lanes. Freeway is always faster than surface street if you don’t have traffic and if you live up here and work down there, they usually don’t have traffic.BTW, Bing is Microsoft. They calculate time based on distance and speed limit. If you don’t believe me, you can try and drive down from up here to DT at 7AM and tell me how it goes.
May 19, 2010 at 11:21 AM #552530anParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN]According to Bing, it’ll take you 19 minutes to downtown from PQ driving 65 mph.
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/?org=aj…%5B/quote%5DI’m sorry, I just don’t see this constellation. Not without a broomstick. Maybe 39 mins. at mid-morning π “Bing” is probably out of state.
There are some mornings I can’t even get to dtn. from NC (5 mi. away) in 19 mins!
Look at your Bing map again. Have you ever tried leaving bet. 7:00 and 7:30 a.m. for dtn. SD?? Just wondering.[/quote]
Have you ever driven South in the morning? I have. Just so you know, there’s is usually no traffic going South in the morning and going North in the afternoon, between South County and Sorrento area. The only way it’ll take you 40 minutes is if there a huge accident that close most of the lanes. Freeway is always faster than surface street if you don’t have traffic and if you live up here and work down there, they usually don’t have traffic.BTW, Bing is Microsoft. They calculate time based on distance and speed limit. If you don’t believe me, you can try and drive down from up here to DT at 7AM and tell me how it goes.
May 19, 2010 at 11:21 AM #552808anParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN]According to Bing, it’ll take you 19 minutes to downtown from PQ driving 65 mph.
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/?org=aj…%5B/quote%5DI’m sorry, I just don’t see this constellation. Not without a broomstick. Maybe 39 mins. at mid-morning π “Bing” is probably out of state.
There are some mornings I can’t even get to dtn. from NC (5 mi. away) in 19 mins!
Look at your Bing map again. Have you ever tried leaving bet. 7:00 and 7:30 a.m. for dtn. SD?? Just wondering.[/quote]
Have you ever driven South in the morning? I have. Just so you know, there’s is usually no traffic going South in the morning and going North in the afternoon, between South County and Sorrento area. The only way it’ll take you 40 minutes is if there a huge accident that close most of the lanes. Freeway is always faster than surface street if you don’t have traffic and if you live up here and work down there, they usually don’t have traffic.BTW, Bing is Microsoft. They calculate time based on distance and speed limit. If you don’t believe me, you can try and drive down from up here to DT at 7AM and tell me how it goes.
May 19, 2010 at 12:49 PM #551867poorgradstudentParticipantIt’s often more useful to lump incomes by quintile rather than trying to fit people into “classes”. Class is actually a British holdover that doesn’t translate as well to America. An artist who makes ~50k a year there or a college professor who makes ~80k could be “upper class”, while many people in sales who make much more money than that would be middle class thanks to their more gaudy and bougey tastes. Britney Spears and Tony Soprano aren’t upper class, they’re a trailer park girl and working class stiff with money, respectively.
By Quintile, household income for San Diego (2008):
0-20%: ~25k/year
21-40%: ~25-50k/year
41-60%: ~50-80k/year
61-80%: ~80-125k/year
Top 20%: >$125k/yearFor bearishgurl, at least 60% of San Diego households are below middle class. AN’s breakdown puts the median in lower middle class territory. Perhaps the middle class really is shrinking that much, but for me the middle really should be “the middle”.
I have a hard time with any lumping that doesn’t put the 50% point in “middle class”. Because there is such a huge gap between the ultra-rich and the rich, the rich don’t tend to think of themselves as such. At the same time the truly poor tend to be invisible to most of us.
There is of course a difference between income and wealth. I know a medical doctor in his early 30s who probably makes over $200k a year, but whose family net worth is currently negative thanks to student loans, their lifestyle, and being underwater on his mortgage. I also know a guy who inherited a bunch of houses from his parents whose net worth is probably pushing $2m, but probably nets less than $100k/year. Neither probably thinks of himself as “rich”, yet compared to most people, both are.
May 19, 2010 at 12:49 PM #551974poorgradstudentParticipantIt’s often more useful to lump incomes by quintile rather than trying to fit people into “classes”. Class is actually a British holdover that doesn’t translate as well to America. An artist who makes ~50k a year there or a college professor who makes ~80k could be “upper class”, while many people in sales who make much more money than that would be middle class thanks to their more gaudy and bougey tastes. Britney Spears and Tony Soprano aren’t upper class, they’re a trailer park girl and working class stiff with money, respectively.
By Quintile, household income for San Diego (2008):
0-20%: ~25k/year
21-40%: ~25-50k/year
41-60%: ~50-80k/year
61-80%: ~80-125k/year
Top 20%: >$125k/yearFor bearishgurl, at least 60% of San Diego households are below middle class. AN’s breakdown puts the median in lower middle class territory. Perhaps the middle class really is shrinking that much, but for me the middle really should be “the middle”.
I have a hard time with any lumping that doesn’t put the 50% point in “middle class”. Because there is such a huge gap between the ultra-rich and the rich, the rich don’t tend to think of themselves as such. At the same time the truly poor tend to be invisible to most of us.
There is of course a difference between income and wealth. I know a medical doctor in his early 30s who probably makes over $200k a year, but whose family net worth is currently negative thanks to student loans, their lifestyle, and being underwater on his mortgage. I also know a guy who inherited a bunch of houses from his parents whose net worth is probably pushing $2m, but probably nets less than $100k/year. Neither probably thinks of himself as “rich”, yet compared to most people, both are.
May 19, 2010 at 12:49 PM #552461poorgradstudentParticipantIt’s often more useful to lump incomes by quintile rather than trying to fit people into “classes”. Class is actually a British holdover that doesn’t translate as well to America. An artist who makes ~50k a year there or a college professor who makes ~80k could be “upper class”, while many people in sales who make much more money than that would be middle class thanks to their more gaudy and bougey tastes. Britney Spears and Tony Soprano aren’t upper class, they’re a trailer park girl and working class stiff with money, respectively.
By Quintile, household income for San Diego (2008):
0-20%: ~25k/year
21-40%: ~25-50k/year
41-60%: ~50-80k/year
61-80%: ~80-125k/year
Top 20%: >$125k/yearFor bearishgurl, at least 60% of San Diego households are below middle class. AN’s breakdown puts the median in lower middle class territory. Perhaps the middle class really is shrinking that much, but for me the middle really should be “the middle”.
I have a hard time with any lumping that doesn’t put the 50% point in “middle class”. Because there is such a huge gap between the ultra-rich and the rich, the rich don’t tend to think of themselves as such. At the same time the truly poor tend to be invisible to most of us.
There is of course a difference between income and wealth. I know a medical doctor in his early 30s who probably makes over $200k a year, but whose family net worth is currently negative thanks to student loans, their lifestyle, and being underwater on his mortgage. I also know a guy who inherited a bunch of houses from his parents whose net worth is probably pushing $2m, but probably nets less than $100k/year. Neither probably thinks of himself as “rich”, yet compared to most people, both are.
May 19, 2010 at 12:49 PM #552560poorgradstudentParticipantIt’s often more useful to lump incomes by quintile rather than trying to fit people into “classes”. Class is actually a British holdover that doesn’t translate as well to America. An artist who makes ~50k a year there or a college professor who makes ~80k could be “upper class”, while many people in sales who make much more money than that would be middle class thanks to their more gaudy and bougey tastes. Britney Spears and Tony Soprano aren’t upper class, they’re a trailer park girl and working class stiff with money, respectively.
By Quintile, household income for San Diego (2008):
0-20%: ~25k/year
21-40%: ~25-50k/year
41-60%: ~50-80k/year
61-80%: ~80-125k/year
Top 20%: >$125k/yearFor bearishgurl, at least 60% of San Diego households are below middle class. AN’s breakdown puts the median in lower middle class territory. Perhaps the middle class really is shrinking that much, but for me the middle really should be “the middle”.
I have a hard time with any lumping that doesn’t put the 50% point in “middle class”. Because there is such a huge gap between the ultra-rich and the rich, the rich don’t tend to think of themselves as such. At the same time the truly poor tend to be invisible to most of us.
There is of course a difference between income and wealth. I know a medical doctor in his early 30s who probably makes over $200k a year, but whose family net worth is currently negative thanks to student loans, their lifestyle, and being underwater on his mortgage. I also know a guy who inherited a bunch of houses from his parents whose net worth is probably pushing $2m, but probably nets less than $100k/year. Neither probably thinks of himself as “rich”, yet compared to most people, both are.
May 19, 2010 at 12:49 PM #552838poorgradstudentParticipantIt’s often more useful to lump incomes by quintile rather than trying to fit people into “classes”. Class is actually a British holdover that doesn’t translate as well to America. An artist who makes ~50k a year there or a college professor who makes ~80k could be “upper class”, while many people in sales who make much more money than that would be middle class thanks to their more gaudy and bougey tastes. Britney Spears and Tony Soprano aren’t upper class, they’re a trailer park girl and working class stiff with money, respectively.
By Quintile, household income for San Diego (2008):
0-20%: ~25k/year
21-40%: ~25-50k/year
41-60%: ~50-80k/year
61-80%: ~80-125k/year
Top 20%: >$125k/yearFor bearishgurl, at least 60% of San Diego households are below middle class. AN’s breakdown puts the median in lower middle class territory. Perhaps the middle class really is shrinking that much, but for me the middle really should be “the middle”.
I have a hard time with any lumping that doesn’t put the 50% point in “middle class”. Because there is such a huge gap between the ultra-rich and the rich, the rich don’t tend to think of themselves as such. At the same time the truly poor tend to be invisible to most of us.
There is of course a difference between income and wealth. I know a medical doctor in his early 30s who probably makes over $200k a year, but whose family net worth is currently negative thanks to student loans, their lifestyle, and being underwater on his mortgage. I also know a guy who inherited a bunch of houses from his parents whose net worth is probably pushing $2m, but probably nets less than $100k/year. Neither probably thinks of himself as “rich”, yet compared to most people, both are.
May 19, 2010 at 12:50 PM #551871UCGalParticipantI found a neat site that looks at traffic flow.
http://trafficpredict.com/sdcurrent.php
If you click on “historical sd” and pick weekday rush hour times you can see where the freeway is congested. (yellow or cyan)
It might give you an idea of where traffic is heaviest – and in which direction. Which in turn could give you idea of where people are leaving from/going to.
Neat tool.
May 19, 2010 at 12:50 PM #551979UCGalParticipantI found a neat site that looks at traffic flow.
http://trafficpredict.com/sdcurrent.php
If you click on “historical sd” and pick weekday rush hour times you can see where the freeway is congested. (yellow or cyan)
It might give you an idea of where traffic is heaviest – and in which direction. Which in turn could give you idea of where people are leaving from/going to.
Neat tool.
May 19, 2010 at 12:50 PM #552466UCGalParticipantI found a neat site that looks at traffic flow.
http://trafficpredict.com/sdcurrent.php
If you click on “historical sd” and pick weekday rush hour times you can see where the freeway is congested. (yellow or cyan)
It might give you an idea of where traffic is heaviest – and in which direction. Which in turn could give you idea of where people are leaving from/going to.
Neat tool.
May 19, 2010 at 12:50 PM #552565UCGalParticipantI found a neat site that looks at traffic flow.
http://trafficpredict.com/sdcurrent.php
If you click on “historical sd” and pick weekday rush hour times you can see where the freeway is congested. (yellow or cyan)
It might give you an idea of where traffic is heaviest – and in which direction. Which in turn could give you idea of where people are leaving from/going to.
Neat tool.
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