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January 20, 2010 at 9:10 PM #504960January 20, 2010 at 9:28 PM #504082
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Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]According to this chart (see link)I am in the top 5% and I am guessing quite of few of the Piggs are too. I vote my pocketbook. If you were in the same position, you probably would too or did you take an oath of poverty? Somehow I doubt it…
Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What:
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6%5B/quote%5DSo, the top 50% pays the majority of the taxes because they’re the ones with the majority of the wealth/income. I fail to see a problem here. And your ideal solution would be…?
January 20, 2010 at 9:28 PM #504229Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]According to this chart (see link)I am in the top 5% and I am guessing quite of few of the Piggs are too. I vote my pocketbook. If you were in the same position, you probably would too or did you take an oath of poverty? Somehow I doubt it…
Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What:
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6%5B/quote%5DSo, the top 50% pays the majority of the taxes because they’re the ones with the majority of the wealth/income. I fail to see a problem here. And your ideal solution would be…?
January 20, 2010 at 9:28 PM #504626Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]According to this chart (see link)I am in the top 5% and I am guessing quite of few of the Piggs are too. I vote my pocketbook. If you were in the same position, you probably would too or did you take an oath of poverty? Somehow I doubt it…
Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What:
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6%5B/quote%5DSo, the top 50% pays the majority of the taxes because they’re the ones with the majority of the wealth/income. I fail to see a problem here. And your ideal solution would be…?
January 20, 2010 at 9:28 PM #504719Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]According to this chart (see link)I am in the top 5% and I am guessing quite of few of the Piggs are too. I vote my pocketbook. If you were in the same position, you probably would too or did you take an oath of poverty? Somehow I doubt it…
Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What:
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6%5B/quote%5DSo, the top 50% pays the majority of the taxes because they’re the ones with the majority of the wealth/income. I fail to see a problem here. And your ideal solution would be…?
January 20, 2010 at 9:28 PM #504970Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]According to this chart (see link)I am in the top 5% and I am guessing quite of few of the Piggs are too. I vote my pocketbook. If you were in the same position, you probably would too or did you take an oath of poverty? Somehow I doubt it…
Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What:
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6%5B/quote%5DSo, the top 50% pays the majority of the taxes because they’re the ones with the majority of the wealth/income. I fail to see a problem here. And your ideal solution would be…?
January 20, 2010 at 9:49 PM #504092surveyor
Participant“Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?
“Or did you say it’s the love of money that’s the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It’s the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money–and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.
“Let me give you a tip on a clue to men’s characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.
“Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper’s bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another–their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.
“But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich–will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt–and of his life, as he deserves.
…
“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose–because it contains all the others–the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’ No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity–to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words ‘to make money’ hold the essence of human morality.
“Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters’ continents. Now the looters’ credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide– as, I think, he will.
“Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns–or dollars. Take your choice–there is no other–and your time is running out.”
January 20, 2010 at 9:49 PM #504239Participant“Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?
“Or did you say it’s the love of money that’s the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It’s the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money–and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.
“Let me give you a tip on a clue to men’s characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.
“Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper’s bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another–their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.
“But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich–will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt–and of his life, as he deserves.
…
“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose–because it contains all the others–the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’ No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity–to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words ‘to make money’ hold the essence of human morality.
“Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters’ continents. Now the looters’ credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide– as, I think, he will.
“Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns–or dollars. Take your choice–there is no other–and your time is running out.”
January 20, 2010 at 9:49 PM #504636Participant“Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?
“Or did you say it’s the love of money that’s the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It’s the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money–and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.
“Let me give you a tip on a clue to men’s characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.
“Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper’s bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another–their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.
“But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich–will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt–and of his life, as he deserves.
…
“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose–because it contains all the others–the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’ No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity–to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words ‘to make money’ hold the essence of human morality.
“Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters’ continents. Now the looters’ credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide– as, I think, he will.
“Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns–or dollars. Take your choice–there is no other–and your time is running out.”
January 20, 2010 at 9:49 PM #504729Participant“Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?
“Or did you say it’s the love of money that’s the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It’s the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money–and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.
“Let me give you a tip on a clue to men’s characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.
“Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper’s bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another–their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.
“But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich–will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt–and of his life, as he deserves.
…
“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose–because it contains all the others–the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’ No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity–to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words ‘to make money’ hold the essence of human morality.
“Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters’ continents. Now the looters’ credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide– as, I think, he will.
“Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns–or dollars. Take your choice–there is no other–and your time is running out.”
January 20, 2010 at 9:49 PM #504980Participant“Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?
“Or did you say it’s the love of money that’s the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It’s the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money–and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.
“Let me give you a tip on a clue to men’s characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.
“Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper’s bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another–their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.
“But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich–will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt–and of his life, as he deserves.
…
“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose–because it contains all the others–the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’ No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity–to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words ‘to make money’ hold the essence of human morality.
“Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters’ continents. Now the looters’ credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide– as, I think, he will.
“Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns–or dollars. Take your choice–there is no other–and your time is running out.”
January 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM #504102Arraya
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
the fact remains that America is a fundamentally conservative country, possessed of stubborn common sense .[/quote]
The reason for this is because any left movements have always been bludgeoned by the establishment.
You know the history of Labor, the struggles, the conditions etc. People so quickly forget that the sweatshops of today were the industrial mills of the American yesteryear. The LEFT fought for workers rights, womens sufferage, civil rights, the 40 hour work week, clean food(the jungle), water, etc for everyone. They fought, they bled, they died, were machinegunned, gassed, tortured, jailed….now all that “handywork” is the product of a particulary viscious mentality which isn’t bound up so much in economics as it is in will to power (though it uses economics as a bludgeon).
The left has no media, we have propaganda matrix of which an acceptable “left” is aloud to be portrayed….
For real social protests. Watch Europe this year. They have 6 or 7 countries about to default. The IMF is already tightening the screws with wage freezes and cutting services. It’s going to get ugly and the MSM will be silent. They don’t want the proles to see what real social protesting is about. Just as they are keeping on the down low what went down in Iceland. Where the people uniformly said NO to paying institutional gambling debts of banks. That is the last thing the government wants.
January 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM #504249Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
the fact remains that America is a fundamentally conservative country, possessed of stubborn common sense .[/quote]
The reason for this is because any left movements have always been bludgeoned by the establishment.
You know the history of Labor, the struggles, the conditions etc. People so quickly forget that the sweatshops of today were the industrial mills of the American yesteryear. The LEFT fought for workers rights, womens sufferage, civil rights, the 40 hour work week, clean food(the jungle), water, etc for everyone. They fought, they bled, they died, were machinegunned, gassed, tortured, jailed….now all that “handywork” is the product of a particulary viscious mentality which isn’t bound up so much in economics as it is in will to power (though it uses economics as a bludgeon).
The left has no media, we have propaganda matrix of which an acceptable “left” is aloud to be portrayed….
For real social protests. Watch Europe this year. They have 6 or 7 countries about to default. The IMF is already tightening the screws with wage freezes and cutting services. It’s going to get ugly and the MSM will be silent. They don’t want the proles to see what real social protesting is about. Just as they are keeping on the down low what went down in Iceland. Where the people uniformly said NO to paying institutional gambling debts of banks. That is the last thing the government wants.
January 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM #504646Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
the fact remains that America is a fundamentally conservative country, possessed of stubborn common sense .[/quote]
The reason for this is because any left movements have always been bludgeoned by the establishment.
You know the history of Labor, the struggles, the conditions etc. People so quickly forget that the sweatshops of today were the industrial mills of the American yesteryear. The LEFT fought for workers rights, womens sufferage, civil rights, the 40 hour work week, clean food(the jungle), water, etc for everyone. They fought, they bled, they died, were machinegunned, gassed, tortured, jailed….now all that “handywork” is the product of a particulary viscious mentality which isn’t bound up so much in economics as it is in will to power (though it uses economics as a bludgeon).
The left has no media, we have propaganda matrix of which an acceptable “left” is aloud to be portrayed….
For real social protests. Watch Europe this year. They have 6 or 7 countries about to default. The IMF is already tightening the screws with wage freezes and cutting services. It’s going to get ugly and the MSM will be silent. They don’t want the proles to see what real social protesting is about. Just as they are keeping on the down low what went down in Iceland. Where the people uniformly said NO to paying institutional gambling debts of banks. That is the last thing the government wants.
January 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM #504738Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
the fact remains that America is a fundamentally conservative country, possessed of stubborn common sense .[/quote]
The reason for this is because any left movements have always been bludgeoned by the establishment.
You know the history of Labor, the struggles, the conditions etc. People so quickly forget that the sweatshops of today were the industrial mills of the American yesteryear. The LEFT fought for workers rights, womens sufferage, civil rights, the 40 hour work week, clean food(the jungle), water, etc for everyone. They fought, they bled, they died, were machinegunned, gassed, tortured, jailed….now all that “handywork” is the product of a particulary viscious mentality which isn’t bound up so much in economics as it is in will to power (though it uses economics as a bludgeon).
The left has no media, we have propaganda matrix of which an acceptable “left” is aloud to be portrayed….
For real social protests. Watch Europe this year. They have 6 or 7 countries about to default. The IMF is already tightening the screws with wage freezes and cutting services. It’s going to get ugly and the MSM will be silent. They don’t want the proles to see what real social protesting is about. Just as they are keeping on the down low what went down in Iceland. Where the people uniformly said NO to paying institutional gambling debts of banks. That is the last thing the government wants.
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