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June 27, 2012 at 3:19 PM #746662June 27, 2012 at 3:45 PM #746664
spdrun
ParticipantWhat was I supposed to say? “Thanks for invading my privacy, have a great day, sir? Care to do a cavity search as well, sir? I can spread my cheeks for ‘ya.” Is that the Californian way?
Big difference between being checked AT the border, and being singled out for a random stop by some swine within my own country.
June 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM #746666bearishgurl
Participant[quote=spdrun]Story to tell — this crap doesn’t only happen in AZ:
I was driving from AZ to CA, and I took the scenic route to San Diego about 2 years ago. I’m pretty much straight-up white, but I was pulled over by Border Pigs twice.Once on I-8 about 15 min after the CA border. The second time on Rt. 94 at the Dulzurra(?) checkpoint. The swine at the second stop didn’t stop at asking my citizenship, checking ID/passport, and asking if I was carrying anyone else in the car.
They asked me: how long was I planning to be in CA? Where was I staying in CA? What was my business in CA?
None of which I was prepared to answer, since as an American citizen, I have the RIGHT to travel in my own damn country without being harassed and interrogated. So I answered that I was an American citizen traveling in my own country, and that anything else was none of their business. They tired of the game after about 5-10 minutes, checked the trunk and waved me to go. All was recorded by me, of course.
Frankly, thinking back on this treatment *still* enrages me. Granted, I was driving a dusty rental with Zonie plates, but this still disgusted me. Interestingly, I’ve never been harassed in this way since, mostly in vehicles with CA plates. Could this have been a bit of quid-pro-quo – maybe the checkpoint officer’s cousin was harassed by some AZ cops?[/quote]
NO! I have CA plates and what you describe has happened to me multiple times on that route (as well as I-10) in both CA and AZ. See both pages of:
http://piggington.com/why_is_a_doper_snorting_bath_salts_my_problem
The Southwest border of the US has been a “police state” since shortly after 9/11/01.
June 27, 2012 at 3:48 PM #746667Participant[quote=Hobie]Spd: Makes you wonder just how many out of state rental cars covered in dust driving in from the desert were actually involved in some kind of criminal activity to trigger such a reaction by the border patrol.
Most of us locals are happy to help them do their job.
Me thinks, that somehow you brought about the long inspection on yourself. We are different here in Cali. Just sayin'[/quote]
No, he didn’t “bring it on himself” and no, we’re not any “different” here in Cali.
June 27, 2012 at 3:50 PM #746668Participant^^^
I’d suspect that this started before 9/11/2001 — I remember a “Border” checkpoint on the 5 near Camp Pendleton when I was there with family in the late 90s.
June 27, 2012 at 4:17 PM #746671Participant[quote=spdrun]^^^
I’d suspect that this started before 9/11/2001 — I remember a “Border” checkpoint on the 5 near Camp Pendleton when I was there with family in the late 90s.[/quote]
Yes, that is the “San Onofre checkpoint” and it, along with the northbound “Rainbow checkpoint” on I-15 are much more sophisticated in that they have computers which can quickly scan front license plates passing thru and detain those that are on law enforcement “hotlists,” wanted lists and AMBER alerts. Both have been in place for at least 35 years (although not as efficient as today).
I’m sure “racial profiling” occurs on these checkpoints (to some degree), likely mostly to the drivers/passengers of those vehicles bearing Baja plates and other Mexican plates.
The checkpoints along I-8 and I-10 are “makeshift” and entirely portable, without all the sophisticated equipment of the I-5/I-15 checkpoints. In addition, they are typically situated in the middle of nowhere.
If you travel months apart, you may notice that one or more of these east/west checkpoints along the SW border have “moved” miles down the road.
June 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM #746676Anonymous
Guest[quote=spdrun]What was I supposed to say? “Thanks for invading my privacy, have a great day, sir? Care to do a cavity search as well, sir? I can spread my cheeks for ‘ya.” Is that the Californian way?
Big difference between being checked AT the border, and being singled out for a random stop by some swine within my own country.[/quote]
Why not just answer their damn questions and you would be on your way? What’s the big deal? You are over-exaggerating with this police state bullshit.
June 27, 2012 at 5:57 PM #746677ParticipantBescause citizens (as shown by my valid passport) have the right to travel in the US without harassment or treatment as suspects. Rights given away freely are rights lost. I really don’t care about making the lives of some Mickey Dee’s rejects in snazzy uniforms easy or pleasant.
June 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM #746678scaredyclassic
ParticipantPersonally I don’t like to be searched because I’m very ticklish.
June 27, 2012 at 6:33 PM #746679paramount
Participant[quote=deadzone]
Why not just answer their damn questions and you would be on your way? What’s the big deal? You are over-exaggerating with this police state bullshit.[/quote]
These are the kinds of responses that sicken me; I think of the sacrifices made in the name of freedom and for so many to quickly subjugate themselves to the police state without any consideration of these sacrifices.
A bit of advice deadzone: stop living on your knees.
June 27, 2012 at 7:03 PM #746682CDMA ENG
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=CDMA ENG]
Blame the Feds. If they had done what they were supposed to be doing and actually enforcing the laws they enacted then AZ would have never went down that path.
CE[/quote]Little know fact – Obama doubled the number of deportations compared to Bush.
Didn’t know that UCGal but I would argue again the problem is not getting “rid of the Hispanics” but enforcing the border. It’s not Hispanics or Mexicans that is really at the root of this issue it is the criminals that are coming across the borders and have been for years.
Gangs, stolen motor cars, and other sorted activity are the heart of the border argument. Yes we have our racists and minutemen that are also in support of border protection, for the wrong reasons, but the underlying fact is that we need a secure border in both directions. Not so much a deportation policy.
Hell some of the vehicles the Policia is driving around in are AZ stolen cars… A reporter went across the border years ago and took the VINs off of the police cars there…
Of course a better US drug policy would get rid of 90 percent of this argument as well!
CE
June 27, 2012 at 7:21 PM #746684ParticipantThe San Onefre story reminds me of one that my father in-law told me.
He was a marine shooting instructor and one morning the were on the firing line and he commenced firing. He said about twenty mexicans jumped up with thier hands in the air. Said it was almost comically but at the time it scared the shit out of him. They were lucky no one was hit. The poor guys had kids with them and everything. They gave them MREs and water until border patrol showed up. This was around 30 years ago…
CE
June 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM #746685Guest[quote=paramount][quote=deadzone]
Why not just answer their damn questions and you would be on your way? What’s the big deal? You are over-exaggerating with this police state bullshit.[/quote]
These are the kinds of responses that sicken me; I think of the sacrifices made in the name of freedom and for so many to quickly subjugate themselves to the police state without any consideration of these sacrifices.
A bit of advice deadzone: stop living on your knees.[/quote]
You guys need some medication or something, your paranoia is going to make you miserable. I think you read 1984 one too many times.
June 27, 2012 at 9:36 PM #746686Guest[quote=spdrun]Bescause citizens (as shown by my valid passport) have the right to travel in the US without harassment or treatment as suspects. Rights given away freely are rights lost. I really don’t care about making the lives of some Mickey Dee’s rejects in snazzy uniforms easy or pleasant.[/quote]
You sound like a libertarian. That’s cool, so I assume you are in favor of legalizing drugs? Me too. If that were to happen, then ironically these contentious border checks probably wouldn’t exist in the first place because drugs are what they are really looking for, not illegals.
June 27, 2012 at 10:06 PM #746687Participant[quote=deadzone]
You sound like a libertarian. That’s cool, so I assume you are in favor of legalizing drugs? Me too. If that were to happen, then ironically these contentious border checks probably wouldn’t exist in the first place because drugs are what they are really looking for, not illegals.[/quote]
Exactly, and that is not their charter (looking for drugs).
And in reality, the BP is part of the police state apparatus and little more.
I say loosen the borders and stop all entitlements, that should slow down illegal immigration.
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