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March 25, 2020 at 7:34 AM #815974March 25, 2020 at 8:06 AM #815976
The-Shoveler
Participant80 degree days coming next week (at least where I am).
March 25, 2020 at 9:16 AM #815977teaboy
ParticipantJust want to try to bring this thread back on track.
The original and continuing purpose of this thread is to share the most up-to-the-minute thoughtful & insightful articles regarding the Coronavirus Endgame. This is not intended as a thread to share all the inane ramblings in your head, or at least not unless you can relate it (however tenuously) to an actual news or opinion article.“President Trump’s Dangerous and Foolish Impatience on Coronavirus”
https://time.com/5809260/president-trumps-dangerous-impatience-coronavirus/tb
March 25, 2020 at 9:28 AM #815975Coronita
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March 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM #815980phaster
Participant[quote=teaboy]
The original and continuing purpose of this thread is to share the most up-to-the-minute thoughtful & insightful articles regarding the Coronavirus Endgame.[/quote]have been sort of looking for that info my self,… but have not found anything I thought realistic,… lots of denial the pandemic exists AND/OR people think its fake news
http://www.wired.com/story/the-analogy-between-covid-19-and-climate-change-is-eerily-precise/
the grim honest truth is the covid-19 pandemic is going to be a Darwinian flush event in that takes out the older and weaker (in society)
there is an old adage “don’t judge a book by its cover” but looking at various news reports about what average people are doing to prepare (for example)
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‘Absolute chaos’: Grocery stores struggle to meet COVID-19 demandTim Gerwitz, of Buffalo, stocks up with eight rolls of toilet paper, a roll of paper towels and two bottle of Mountain Dew at Familly Dollar on Kenmore Avenue in Buffalo, Friday, March 13, 2020. (Sharon Cantillon/Buffalo News)
https://buffalonews.com/2020/03/13/absolute-chaos-stores-struggle-to-meet-covid-19-demand/
[/quote]personally 99.999% certain this isn’t going to end or get better anytime soon,… unlike POTUS the self described “Very Stable Genius!”
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Trump says nation can see “light at the end of the tunnel” as Washington pushes $6 trillion stimulusPresident Trump says the U.S. is beginning to see the “light at the end of the tunnel,” as the number of coronavirus cases in the country is doubling every two to three days. The president has been signaling impatience with the ongoing business closures and stock market volatility, and on Tuesday began suggesting he wants the country “back open by Easter” on April 12.
“There is tremendous hope as we look forward and we begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Stay focused and stay strong and my administration and myself will deliver for you as we have in the past,” the president said during a Coronavirus Task Force briefing at the White House late Tuesday.
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Exclusive: U.S. axed CDC expert job in China months before virus outbreakWASHINGTON (Reuters) – Several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the Trump administration eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters has learned.
The American disease expert, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue. The first cases of the new coronavirus may have emerged as early as November, and as cases exploded, the Trump administration in February chastised China for censoring information about the outbreak and keeping U.S. experts from entering the country to help.
“It was heartbreaking to watch,” said Bao-Ping Zhu, a Chinese American who served in that role, which was funded by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, between 2007 and 2011. “If someone had been there, public health officials and governments across the world could have moved much faster.”
Zhu and the other sources said the American expert, Dr. Linda Quick, was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases.
As an American CDC employee, they said, Quick was in an ideal position to be the eyes and ears on the ground for the United States and other countries on the coronavirus outbreak, and might have alerted them to the growing threat weeks earlier.
No other foreign disease experts were embedded to lead the program after Quick left in July, according to the sources. Zhu said an embedded expert can often get word of outbreaks early, after forming close relationships with Chinese counterparts.
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Chaos, inconsistency mark launch of drive-thru virus testing…Patients have complained that they had to jump through cumbersome bureaucratic hoops and wait days to get tested, then wait even longer for a result. Testing centers opened in some places only to be shut down shortly afterward because of shortages of supplies and staff.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/chaos-inconsistency-mark-launch-drive-virus-testing-69734680
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Hospitals consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patientsHospitals on the front lines of the pandemic are engaged in a heated private debate over a calculation few have encountered in their lifetimes — how to weigh the “save at all costs” approach to resuscitating a dying patient against the real danger of exposing doctors and nurses to the contagion of coronavirus.
The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling stores of protective equipment — such as masks, gowns and gloves — may be too great to justify the conventional response when a patient “codes,” and their heart or breathing stops.
…The new protocols are part of a larger rationing of lifesaving procedures and equipment — including ventilators — that is quickly becoming a reality here as in other parts of the world battling the virus. The concerns are not just about health-care workers getting sick but also about them potentially carrying the virus to other patients in the hospital.
R. Alta Charo, a University of Wisconsin-Madison bioethicist, said that while the idea of withholding treatments may be unsettling, especially in a country as wealthy as ours, it is pragmatic. “It doesn’t help anybody if our doctors and nurses are felled by this virus and not able to care for us,” she said. “The code process is one that puts them at an enhanced risk.”
Wunderink said all of the most critically ill patients in the 12 days since they had their first coronavirus case have experienced steady declines rather than a sudden crash. That allowed medical staff to talk with families about the risk to workers and how having to put on protective gear delays a response and decreases the chance of saving someone’s life.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/25/coronavirus-patients-do-not-resucitate/
[/quote]bottom line,… the only way things start to improve is when everyone stops doing stupid things like flushing disinfection wipes down toilets AND people wake up to the fact that simple basic hygiene using soap and water to wash hands and surfaces is a way to slow down virus transmission
March 26, 2020 at 11:22 AM #815988outtamojo
ParticipantNew coronavirus research suggests vaccines developed to treat it could be long-lasting
Some reports say that covid19 mutates slowly. This is promising news for vaccine
development and for post infection survivors.March 26, 2020 at 11:47 AM #815989FlyerInHi
GuestLoss of American leadership will be the result of this crisis.
Instead of a focused, scientific, methodical approach to the crisis, we have, well…. what we all seeAmerica’s disengagement on the coronavirus fight is part of a broader retreat from the world. From the Paris climate change accord to multiple trade agreements, the Trump administration has unwound decades of U.S. leadership on a range of issues.
But such is the severity of this crisis that America’s absence could permanently impact its standing, ceding ground to an ascendant China in the great game of global influence, analysts said.
March 26, 2020 at 2:08 PM #815990Coronita
ParticipantEndgame for some of AirBnb/Vrbo wannabe entrepreneurs.
At least I won’t get all these AirBnb/Vrbo wannabes contacting me try to sublease one of my properties so they can AirBnb/Vrbo it without telling me… Adios!
March 26, 2020 at 2:11 PM #815991FlyerInHi
GuestHow the Pandemic Will End
The U.S. may end up with the worst COVID-19 outbreak in the industrialized world. This is how it’s going to play out.https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/
March 26, 2020 at 2:19 PM #815992FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=Coronita]Endgame for some of AirBnb/Vrbo wannabe entrepreneurs.
At least I won’t get all these AirBnb/Vrbo wannabes contacting me try to sublease one of my properties so they can AirBnb/Vrbo it without telling me… Adios![/quote]
The article says hosts are switching to monthly and medium term.
The hosts can still make more money than traditional rental.
The key is whether the hosts acquired the properties cheap enough that they can do traditional leases if needed. As always, the highly leveraged will sink in a downturn.March 26, 2020 at 5:10 PM #815995sdduuuude
ParticipantItaly not looking exponential anymore.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/San Diego starting to look linear.
https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19%20Bar%20Graph%20of%20New%20and%20Total%20Cases.pdfMon/Tues/Wed next week will be telling for San Diego. Monday marks two weeks of school and bar closures.
I don’t know why The President or Bill Gates are calling for anything other than what should happen in the next 7 days. Trump says April 12. What if things still look like crap then ? Gates says two more months. What if we don’t need two months ? Why decide today if we need two months ?
We don’t need to make those decisions until April 12.
The fact that nobody is sampling non-symptomatic populations is driving me mad. If we don’t do that, all these numbers are “funny” and not really painting a clear picture. If the treatment doesn’t depend on whether or not you have COVID-19, then why test the sick people ? Seems we should test restaurant and store workers to make sure they aren’t unaffected carriers.
March 26, 2020 at 5:15 PM #815996sdduuuude
Participant[quote=sdduuuude]Italy not looking exponential anymore.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/San Diego starting to look linear.
https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19%20Bar%20Graph%20of%20New%20and%20Total%20Cases.pdfMon/Tues/Wed next week will be telling for San Diego. Monday marks two weeks of school and bar closures.
I don’t know why The President or Bill Gates are calling for anything other than what should happen in the next 7 days. Trump says April 12. What if things still look like crap then ? Gates says two more months. What if we don’t need two months ? Why decide today if we need two months ?
We don’t need to make those decisions until April 12.
The fact that nobody is sampling non-symptomatic populations is driving me mad. If we don’t do that, all these numbers are “funny” and not really painting a clear picture. If the treatment doesn’t depend on whether or not you have COVID-19, then why test the sick people ? Seems we should test restaurant and store workers to make sure they aren’t unaffected carriers.[/quote]
And why isn’t anyone publishing percentage-based numbers. Yes, the US has the most cases, but its population is a little bigger than Italy and a little smaller that China so that doesn’t tell us anything. Yes, New York has the most cases in the US but it is also a huge city. SF may be much worse off on a percentage basis. Maybe not. I don’t know because the news is stupid.
March 27, 2020 at 12:48 AM #816004FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=sdduuuude]
The fact that nobody is sampling non-symptomatic populations is driving me mad. If we don’t do that, all these numbers are “funny” and not really painting a clear picture. If the treatment doesn’t depend on whether or not you have COVID-19, then why test the sick people ? Seems we should test restaurant and store workers to make sure they aren’t unaffected carriers.[/quote]Testing/sampling that population would be nice. But we don’t even have the resources to test the people who want to be tested, such as all our health care workers. Not to mention the low-paid people who provide much needed in-home services to the elderly.
I predict a second wave because we have a huge population of people without insurance — homeless, maids, gardeners, gig workers, etc…..
Here’s Bill Gates interview. I trust Bill Gates. He’s has the high IQ and the money, so by all valuable measures, he’s qualified to speak.
March 27, 2020 at 7:34 AM #816006The-Shoveler
ParticipantCOVID-19: Updated data implies that UK modelling hugely overestimates the expected death rates from infection
This is the study that the CDC used to convince USA to shut down.
March 27, 2020 at 10:32 AM #816008svelte
Participant[quote=sdduuuude]
And why isn’t anyone publishing percentage-based numbers. Yes, the US has the most cases, but its population is a little bigger than Italy and a little smaller that China so that doesn’t tell us anything. Yes, New York has the most cases in the US but it is also a huge city. SF may be much worse off on a percentage basis. Maybe not. I don’t know because the news is stupid.[/quote]
The news does give you the breakdown by state and state populations are widely known, so you have all the information you need to do the calculations on a statewide basis. In addition, the news gives us the cases & deaths for some large cities such as NYC and SF, and their populations are widely known. So if you don’t take the 5-10 mins to gather the stats and run the calcs, that’s on you dude.
Statewide are here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.htmlMajor cities are in various spots.
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