Common sense

[CA renter]

[quote=SK in CV]Ok on the herding. I thought you meant herding, in the sense of….herding. I’d never heard the word associated with tribalism. But I guess I see the connection.

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I used the term “herd behavior,” because I think it’s appropriate, as it goes hand-in-hand with tribalism. However, some people are uncomfortable with “herding instincts” being applied to humans, so “tribalism” it is. 😉

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I’m not debating that you are well-read. I’m debating the Judeo-Christian assertion.

Your argument uses only broad references – there’s mention of a lot of books, authors, and “writings,” but no specific examples.

Arraya provided an example earlier about the origins of one legal principle (due process.)

None of your posts mention any law or legal principle at all.

This should be pretty simple – I’m not sure why one would need to read a library just to find a few examples. But that seems to be what you are suggesting.

So, can you provide examples of specific principles of our founding law that are distinctly Judeo-Christian?

(Not books or authors, but an aspect of our law – perhaps something like balance of powers, or trial by jury, etc.)

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I’m not debating that you are well-read. I’m debating the Judeo-Christian assertion.

Your argument uses only broad references – there’s mention of a lot of books, authors, and “writings,” but no specific examples.

Arraya provided an example earlier about the origins of one legal principle (due process.)

None of your posts mention any law or legal principle at all.

This should be pretty simple – I’m not sure why one would need to read a library just to find a few examples. But that seems to be what you are suggesting.

So, can you provide examples of specific principles of our founding law that are distinctly Judeo-Christian?

(Not books or authors, but an aspect of our law – perhaps something like balance of powers, or trial by jury, etc.)

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I’m not debating that you are well-read. I’m debating the Judeo-Christian assertion.

Your argument uses only broad references – there’s mention of a lot of books, authors, and “writings,” but no specific examples.

Arraya provided an example earlier about the origins of one legal principle (due process.)

None of your posts mention any law or legal principle at all.

This should be pretty simple – I’m not sure why one would need to read a library just to find a few examples. But that seems to be what you are suggesting.

So, can you provide examples of specific principles of our founding law that are distinctly Judeo-Christian?

(Not books or authors, but an aspect of our law – perhaps something like balance of powers, or trial by jury, etc.)

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I’m not debating that you are well-read. I’m debating the Judeo-Christian assertion.

Your argument uses only broad references – there’s mention of a lot of books, authors, and “writings,” but no specific examples.

Arraya provided an example earlier about the origins of one legal principle (due process.)

None of your posts mention any law or legal principle at all.

This should be pretty simple – I’m not sure why one would need to read a library just to find a few examples. But that seems to be what you are suggesting.

So, can you provide examples of specific principles of our founding law that are distinctly Judeo-Christian?

(Not books or authors, but an aspect of our law – perhaps something like balance of powers, or trial by jury, etc.)

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I’m not debating that you are well-read. I’m debating the Judeo-Christian assertion.

Your argument uses only broad references – there’s mention of a lot of books, authors, and “writings,” but no specific examples.

Arraya provided an example earlier about the origins of one legal principle (due process.)

None of your posts mention any law or legal principle at all.

This should be pretty simple – I’m not sure why one would need to read a library just to find a few examples. But that seems to be what you are suggesting.

So, can you provide examples of specific principles of our founding law that are distinctly Judeo-Christian?

(Not books or authors, but an aspect of our law – perhaps something like balance of powers, or trial by jury, etc.)

[SD Realtor]

Brian my point is that the immigrants who came here built themselves up. Our nation did not “provide” anything special for them. There was no govt window that you went to after Ellis Island that was the “opportunity center”. There was the street. Your declaration of immigrant success in the USA due to govt involvement when compared to immigrant failure in in Europe makes no sense. Yes the USA is a staggerring success when it comes to immigration success story but not because of the govt, but because of the immigrants themselves and the sacrifices they made. That is all I am pointing out. Not because of some special govt program making sure they got their “proportional share” or something like that.

[SD Realtor]

Brian my point is that the immigrants who came here built themselves up. Our nation did not “provide” anything special for them. There was no govt window that you went to after Ellis Island that was the “opportunity center”. There was the street. Your declaration of immigrant success in the USA due to govt involvement when compared to immigrant failure in in Europe makes no sense. Yes the USA is a staggerring success when it comes to immigration success story but not because of the govt, but because of the immigrants themselves and the sacrifices they made. That is all I am pointing out. Not because of some special govt program making sure they got their “proportional share” or something like that.

[SD Realtor]

Brian my point is that the immigrants who came here built themselves up. Our nation did not “provide” anything special for them. There was no govt window that you went to after Ellis Island that was the “opportunity center”. There was the street. Your declaration of immigrant success in the USA due to govt involvement when compared to immigrant failure in in Europe makes no sense. Yes the USA is a staggerring success when it comes to immigration success story but not because of the govt, but because of the immigrants themselves and the sacrifices they made. That is all I am pointing out. Not because of some special govt program making sure they got their “proportional share” or something like that.

[SD Realtor]

Brian my point is that the immigrants who came here built themselves up. Our nation did not “provide” anything special for them. There was no govt window that you went to after Ellis Island that was the “opportunity center”. There was the street. Your declaration of immigrant success in the USA due to govt involvement when compared to immigrant failure in in Europe makes no sense. Yes the USA is a staggerring success when it comes to immigration success story but not because of the govt, but because of the immigrants themselves and the sacrifices they made. That is all I am pointing out. Not because of some special govt program making sure they got their “proportional share” or something like that.

[SD Realtor]

Brian my point is that the immigrants who came here built themselves up. Our nation did not “provide” anything special for them. There was no govt window that you went to after Ellis Island that was the “opportunity center”. There was the street. Your declaration of immigrant success in the USA due to govt involvement when compared to immigrant failure in in Europe makes no sense. Yes the USA is a staggerring success when it comes to immigration success story but not because of the govt, but because of the immigrants themselves and the sacrifices they made. That is all I am pointing out. Not because of some special govt program making sure they got their “proportional share” or something like that.

[Arraya]

[quote=CA renter]

There is no doubt about herding/tribal instincts in humans, IMHO. Throughout history, humans have lived and worked in groups; and they have fought vicious battles with other “groups” who’ve tried to gain control/access to the resources controlled by the first group.

We are, without any doubt, social animals, and we engage in tribal/herd behavior because it has been beneficial to our ancestors in the past — it was the only means by which they were able to survive during times of scarce resources and other threats.

Hoarding is a very basic instinct, and it really becomes apparent when resources are scarce. IMHO, the global unrest is a result of the perception that billions of other people are beginning to seek greater access to more of the world’s resources. The growing wealth disparity is an example of this hoarding behavior, as those with the access and means are stockpiling for what they believe will be a future filled with greater competition for commodities and other basic necessities.[/quote]

Well, sure humans evolved as ‘tribal’ beings and developed ‘wiring’ for such thinking. Which has led to group think or herding behavior. Which leads to mass insanity, genocide, financial bubbles, etc.. And this is also used for group survival strategies involving resource acquisition. Heck, early empires would conquer and take resources for the glory of it and the conquered would be killed or assimilate. Over time peoples morals changed and Rome came up with “casus belli” or pretext which populations required for war. Which has kept propagandists gainfully employed for a millenia

But what is in flux is *perception* of said tribe. We went from tribes to religions to empires to nation-states and conglomerates of nation-states.

Also, I disagree that hoarding is a ‘natural’ instinct. Survival is an instinct, hoarding is a behavior to perceived scarcity. Now, with the advent of agriculture and associated exponentially increasing populations came drawing lines in the ground, organized violence, locking up the food and a scarcity mentality with associated behavior.

Which makes a financial collapse a conflict-violence prone environment, socially and geo-politically.

[Arraya]

[quote=CA renter]

There is no doubt about herding/tribal instincts in humans, IMHO. Throughout history, humans have lived and worked in groups; and they have fought vicious battles with other “groups” who’ve tried to gain control/access to the resources controlled by the first group.

We are, without any doubt, social animals, and we engage in tribal/herd behavior because it has been beneficial to our ancestors in the past — it was the only means by which they were able to survive during times of scarce resources and other threats.

Hoarding is a very basic instinct, and it really becomes apparent when resources are scarce. IMHO, the global unrest is a result of the perception that billions of other people are beginning to seek greater access to more of the world’s resources. The growing wealth disparity is an example of this hoarding behavior, as those with the access and means are stockpiling for what they believe will be a future filled with greater competition for commodities and other basic necessities.[/quote]

Well, sure humans evolved as ‘tribal’ beings and developed ‘wiring’ for such thinking. Which has led to group think or herding behavior. Which leads to mass insanity, genocide, financial bubbles, etc.. And this is also used for group survival strategies involving resource acquisition. Heck, early empires would conquer and take resources for the glory of it and the conquered would be killed or assimilate. Over time peoples morals changed and Rome came up with “casus belli” or pretext which populations required for war. Which has kept propagandists gainfully employed for a millenia

But what is in flux is *perception* of said tribe. We went from tribes to religions to empires to nation-states and conglomerates of nation-states.

Also, I disagree that hoarding is a ‘natural’ instinct. Survival is an instinct, hoarding is a behavior to perceived scarcity. Now, with the advent of agriculture and associated exponentially increasing populations came drawing lines in the ground, organized violence, locking up the food and a scarcity mentality with associated behavior.

Which makes a financial collapse a conflict-violence prone environment, socially and geo-politically.

[Arraya]

[quote=CA renter]

There is no doubt about herding/tribal instincts in humans, IMHO. Throughout history, humans have lived and worked in groups; and they have fought vicious battles with other “groups” who’ve tried to gain control/access to the resources controlled by the first group.

We are, without any doubt, social animals, and we engage in tribal/herd behavior because it has been beneficial to our ancestors in the past — it was the only means by which they were able to survive during times of scarce resources and other threats.

Hoarding is a very basic instinct, and it really becomes apparent when resources are scarce. IMHO, the global unrest is a result of the perception that billions of other people are beginning to seek greater access to more of the world’s resources. The growing wealth disparity is an example of this hoarding behavior, as those with the access and means are stockpiling for what they believe will be a future filled with greater competition for commodities and other basic necessities.[/quote]

Well, sure humans evolved as ‘tribal’ beings and developed ‘wiring’ for such thinking. Which has led to group think or herding behavior. Which leads to mass insanity, genocide, financial bubbles, etc.. And this is also used for group survival strategies involving resource acquisition. Heck, early empires would conquer and take resources for the glory of it and the conquered would be killed or assimilate. Over time peoples morals changed and Rome came up with “casus belli” or pretext which populations required for war. Which has kept propagandists gainfully employed for a millenia

But what is in flux is *perception* of said tribe. We went from tribes to religions to empires to nation-states and conglomerates of nation-states.

Also, I disagree that hoarding is a ‘natural’ instinct. Survival is an instinct, hoarding is a behavior to perceived scarcity. Now, with the advent of agriculture and associated exponentially increasing populations came drawing lines in the ground, organized violence, locking up the food and a scarcity mentality with associated behavior.

Which makes a financial collapse a conflict-violence prone environment, socially and geo-politically.

[Arraya]

[quote=CA renter]

There is no doubt about herding/tribal instincts in humans, IMHO. Throughout history, humans have lived and worked in groups; and they have fought vicious battles with other “groups” who’ve tried to gain control/access to the resources controlled by the first group.

We are, without any doubt, social animals, and we engage in tribal/herd behavior because it has been beneficial to our ancestors in the past — it was the only means by which they were able to survive during times of scarce resources and other threats.

Hoarding is a very basic instinct, and it really becomes apparent when resources are scarce. IMHO, the global unrest is a result of the perception that billions of other people are beginning to seek greater access to more of the world’s resources. The growing wealth disparity is an example of this hoarding behavior, as those with the access and means are stockpiling for what they believe will be a future filled with greater competition for commodities and other basic necessities.[/quote]

Well, sure humans evolved as ‘tribal’ beings and developed ‘wiring’ for such thinking. Which has led to group think or herding behavior. Which leads to mass insanity, genocide, financial bubbles, etc.. And this is also used for group survival strategies involving resource acquisition. Heck, early empires would conquer and take resources for the glory of it and the conquered would be killed or assimilate. Over time peoples morals changed and Rome came up with “casus belli” or pretext which populations required for war. Which has kept propagandists gainfully employed for a millenia

But what is in flux is *perception* of said tribe. We went from tribes to religions to empires to nation-states and conglomerates of nation-states.

Also, I disagree that hoarding is a ‘natural’ instinct. Survival is an instinct, hoarding is a behavior to perceived scarcity. Now, with the advent of agriculture and associated exponentially increasing populations came drawing lines in the ground, organized violence, locking up the food and a scarcity mentality with associated behavior.

Which makes a financial collapse a conflict-violence prone environment, socially and geo-politically.

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