China

[Myriad]

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48363772
“These are used in the Chinese company’s 5G base stations and computer servers in addition to its smartphones.”
Affects 5G too. Though with all the premature hype maybe it won’t impact the real use of 5G that much.

Losing access to ARM is a major problem. Though if they steal copies and use the technology anyways, maybe they only lose a year or two of development.

[Coronita]

[quote=Myriad]https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48363772
“These are used in the Chinese company’s 5G base stations and computer servers in addition to its smartphones.”
Affects 5G too. Though with all the premature hype maybe it won’t impact the real use of 5G that much.

Losing access to ARM is a major problem. Though if they steal copies and use the technology anyways, maybe they only lose a year or two of development.[/quote]

ARM is pretty much everywhere. It’s a pretty big loss. And most practical applications of it requires a level of customization…that isn’t going to happen if you aren’t licensed for it.

[Coronita]

Huawei accused of stealing….again…

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/22/huawei-executive-accusetd-of-stealing-trade-secrets-from-axas-company-backed-by-microsoft-and-dell.html

Again, this isn’t an innocent “victim”….They have long had a history of this….

And add Panasonic to the companies that stopped dealing with Huawei.

Panasonic halting business with Huawei after US ban–spokesman

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/22/18634401/huawei-ban-trump-case-infrastructure-fears-google-microsoft-arm-security

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The first wave of concerns about Huawei had more to do with cell towers than cellphones. Huawei is one of the main suppliers for network infrastructure (basically, the hardware that your phone connects to), alongside Ericsson and Qualcomm. As carriers raced to build out 5G networks, lawmakers rushed to keep Huawei hardware out of whatever was being built.

There was never any hard evidence of backdoors in Huawei’s cell towers — but, as hawks saw it, there didn’t need to be. As a hardware provider, Huawei needs to be able to deploy software the same way Apple deploys iOS updates. But as long as there was a pipeline from Huawei’s China headquarters to cell towers in the US, there would be a strong risk of Chinese surveillance agencies using it to sneak malware into the network, whether they did it with Huawei’s help or by hacking themselves into the middle. As intelligence agencies saw it, the risk was just too great.

That might not seem fair, but it’s at least a logical response to a real concern. Cell networks are a very tempting target for espionage, and China has a long history of this kind of spying.

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Vodafone and EE drops Huawei in UK
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/22/ee-drops-huawei-phones-from-5g-network-launch-lineup

[an]

Looks like Microsoft is also cutting them out from using Windows. So, no Android for mobile and no Windows for PC/Laptop. No x86 and ARM. But they say they’ll release their own OS next year: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/23/huawei-our-own-operating-system-could-be-ready-this-year.html

LoL, good luck with that.

[FlyerInHi]

And the American consumers get screwed. We are paying something on the order of $50 for mobile plans at slower speeds while the rest of the developed world pays $15.

Back in 2000 we were paying a lot less than the world.

Back in the 90s dial up internet took off in USA because we had unlimited (not metered) local dialing.

[Coronita]

american consumers have plenty of choices in smartphone and laptops and computers from Taiwan, S. Korea, America, and even China. Fortunately, Huawei won’t be one of them soon.

And it’s time american consumers actually pay more for technology….and it’s time american tech workers to demand more for their work …. just like all those unskilled workers demanding for increasing minimum wage, as championed by progressives, it’s time american consumers start paying for $200k/yr and higher+ american tech workers on average. Thanks for supporting us Brian.

[FlyerInHi]

Isn’t it nice to have the government picking the winners and losers for you.
Wouldn’t that lead to structural inefficiency, then eventual collapse? Meaning an unsustainable system?

[FlyerInHi]

What all this shows is that if Google and Facebook were Chinese and reaching extraterritorially into our market, we would ban them too, except I don’t think the Great Firewall of America would be as good.

I get that it’s about tech, but American consumers and farmers are the collateral damage. Shouldn’t the tech industry shoulder the costs?

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Isn’t it nice to have the government picking the winners and losers for you.
Wouldn’t that lead to structural inefficiency, then eventual collapse? Meaning an unsustainable system?[/quote]

Why not? Didn’t Obama administration basically do the same thing with all that green energy funding and picking random companies for green energy grants….for example, picking loser companies like Solyndra that went under? Just how many green companies that the Obama administration gave grants to actually survived and are profitable?

(Crickets chirping)

[an]

China has been emitting illegal greenhouse gas that destroys ozone layer, scientists find

http://flip.it/R6hofb

Wonder if the global warming supporters will now support getting tough on China too.

[The-Shoveler]

One of the biggest greenhouse gas emissions come from container ships (far more than cars). I don’t know what anyone would have against refrigerators, stoves etc.. made in the USA again (maybe even phones).

I would argue that “most” manufacturing will return to the USA (think robots and 3D printing). I do also support the gov doing some subsidizing for targeted industries Solar, batteries etc… (just do a much better job at it than Obama admin did).

But anyway I do think some deal will be reached.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN]Looks like Microsoft is also cutting them out from using Windows. So, no Android for mobile and no Windows for PC/Laptop. No x86 and ARM. But they say they’ll release their own OS next year: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/23/huawei-our-own-operating-system-could-be-ready-this-year.html

LoL, good luck with that.[/quote]

they make PC laptops too.. good luck with that.

[FlyerInHi]

Whatever happened to “let the markets decide”? Whatever is most efficient, the markets will decide.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Myriad]There are many benefits and flaws with each system.
Maybe our leaders will be smart enough to resolve this without a new version of the Cold War.
Past history isn’t so optimistic – though China’s rise isn’t guaranteed, especially on a GDP/per capital level. 12 out of 16 historical scenarios resulted in war.

https://www.belfercenter.org/thucydides-trap/case-file
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I read the book. But as Parag Khanna and Martin Jacques said, we make the mistake of looking at China through our own history.

There won’t be a war unless we start it. China will not start a war they can’t win since their military cannot project to the other side of the world. In a war, China will seek to prolong it to wear American patience with sending troops to the other side of the world. The Chinese are fortifying their own territory the way a feudal lord may fortify a castle to repel invaders. The logistics to invade China are daunting.

China is building a new ecosystem built on financial and commercial engineering. They are building business relationships while we are stuck with a colonial mentality. If you look at Iran/Iraq, what we have today is a legacy of Britain’s colonial involvement and we got dragged into the quagmire, with no end in sight.

Growth is in the developing world and the biggest cities in the next decades will be in Asia and Africa. China is investing and we aren’t even trying. Small Chinese merchants are establishing themselves and providing credit to the local population. .

Even in Latin America where people lookup to the USA, where their leaders send their kids to our universities and shelter their money in USA, we are losing influence because of our colonial behavior.

For the example, in the Philippines where American cultural influence is great, Chinese merchants are outdoing our own businessmen. We don’t even compete.

I am looking at condos in Bangkok and can’t even compete because Chinese investors are buying in all the new developments. They have relationships with Chinese-Thais so they are able to buy the best units. (Foreigners can only own 49% of the units in any development).

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Whatever happened to “let the markets decide”? Whatever is most efficient, the markets will decide.[/quote]

it went South for the winter when the markets are rigged by different governments, including the PRC and the progressive far left.

So it’s every man and woman for themselves using whatever dirtiest legal tricks available.

Trench warfare.

At least controlling the market so american citizens benefit is a far better agenda than far left progressives that want to control things to benefit people aren’t even American .. before taking care of Americans. China doesn’t even do this.

Every other control puts their own country thinks about themselves first. It’s about time some here does the same thing, unlike far left progressives…What we are doing is no different from what other countries have been doing….

Don’t like? Move and GTF out of the country …. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out

And thanks again Brian for paying more for electronics, computers, software in the future. It’s about time you pay your fair share to support tech people in this country.

After all, I certainly could use the extra income to buy more houses, and for the longest times, a lot of consumers have been spoiled too long with those $400 laptop Walmart blue light specials.

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