Carmel Valley Monitor

[SD Realtor]

great line about if you ever have the misfortune of having kids…

IMO as a parent, having kids and a family is about being with the family not being away from the family. For better or for worse. It is the parents job to prepare a child for adulthood not the schools job. The school is for educating the child. I am not advocating private or public schools. I am advocating strong parenting and a close family. Not sending a child away from the family, otherwise, you shouldn’t have had them in the first place.

SD Realtor

[Ozzie]

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Schools are only as good as the parents of the children in that school, and more parents in higher end areas are actively invloved. It’s a fact. Ask any educator and they will tell you that you can have the best teachers in the world, but if the parents aren’t invloved in their kids’ education then bad things happen. To that end the schools in RSF, Encinitas, CV, Del Mar, Poway, etc. will be great in 10, 20, and 30 years from now. Show me the zip codes with the highest median prices and I’ll show you where the best schools are. In most areas of California, schools in the inner city get more $ per pupil than in North County, but the parents make up the difference in time and money.

And don’t think for a second that schools don’t help or hurt real estate. Ask any agent selling new homes and the school district question is far and away the #1 question they get asked.

[Ozzie]

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Schools are only as good as the parents of the children in that school, and more parents in higher end areas are actively invloved. It’s a fact. Ask any educator and they will tell you that you can have the best teachers in the world, but if the parents aren’t invloved in their kids’ education then bad things happen. To that end the schools in RSF, Encinitas, CV, Del Mar, Poway, etc. will be great in 10, 20, and 30 years from now. Show me the zip codes with the highest median prices and I’ll show you where the best schools are. In most areas of California, schools in the inner city get more $ per pupil than in North County, but the parents make up the difference in time and money.

And don’t think for a second that schools don’t help or hurt real estate. Ask any agent selling new homes and the school district question is far and away the #1 question they get asked.

[drunkle]

sd r:
i dont remember where, but i read someone actually say “if you own kids…” i thought that was awesomely sick.

as an adult child, i think i could have used more discipline and less choices. responsibility only came late, after many many fines, bad credit and such. i’m still quite the underachiever.

bad parenting? ok. but i’d be a fool think that i’d be any better. i wouldn’t ask the school to be parents, only that they provide an environment where the kid would and must learn responsibility, discipline, skills, knowledge and critical thinking of course and self reliance. my own responsibilities in those areas would be limited to providing that environment. leading by example would be futile, encouraging that which i’m not would be obviously hypocritical to a child. i’d want my kid to be better than me, not the same.

ozzie:
do you have a link for your per pupil expenditures claim?

i have no doubt that schools affect housing. you see it here every day, the thing everyone always mentions is the school district. i question whether it’s worth it, to spend so much more money on a home in a “good” school district vs private school. i brought up boarding school as the solution to education, environment and location (ie., private school being too far away from where ever you may live).

[drunkle]

sd r:
i dont remember where, but i read someone actually say “if you own kids…” i thought that was awesomely sick.

as an adult child, i think i could have used more discipline and less choices. responsibility only came late, after many many fines, bad credit and such. i’m still quite the underachiever.

bad parenting? ok. but i’d be a fool think that i’d be any better. i wouldn’t ask the school to be parents, only that they provide an environment where the kid would and must learn responsibility, discipline, skills, knowledge and critical thinking of course and self reliance. my own responsibilities in those areas would be limited to providing that environment. leading by example would be futile, encouraging that which i’m not would be obviously hypocritical to a child. i’d want my kid to be better than me, not the same.

ozzie:
do you have a link for your per pupil expenditures claim?

i have no doubt that schools affect housing. you see it here every day, the thing everyone always mentions is the school district. i question whether it’s worth it, to spend so much more money on a home in a “good” school district vs private school. i brought up boarding school as the solution to education, environment and location (ie., private school being too far away from where ever you may live).

[SD Realtor]

Understood Drunkle… Unfortunately most parenting when your kids become school age, and I cannot speak from experience cuz mine are still toddlers, probably consists of undoing alot of the bad things kids pick up from their friends in the environments at school or just from hanging out with other friends. So your point about sending them to a boarding school may be valid for that reason. I look back at my own childhood and in no way shape or form will I allow my kids to grow up doing the things that I did. I was much to unsupervised. I am hoping that will make me a better parent today. However, I can remember lots of arguments that my parents had, a totally screwed up sister, lots of drugs in the family with my brothers and stuff… all kinds of unmentionables… I don’t know if boarding school would have helped.. In reality, I think exposure to that stuff helped me understand it alot more. I don’t know it is hard to describe. I do know that there are times when having the family physically there near you, loving them and hating their guts at the same time, was important in retrospect. I went to UCSD and turned out okay. Do I think all families are as f’d up as mine was… I doubt it but I bet there are plenty of those out there who had their share of family fun. Hey you love your family for the good and the bad right?

Like you I want my kid to be better then me. I think I can raise them to be that way. If I had a transitional job or a situation where I didn’t believe I could spend alot of time with them then no I would not have had kids to begin with. I think that the upbringing you had would result in your own parenting to be top notch. The fact that you would not even think of bringing a child into this world unless you had an ideal situation speaks volumes of your parenting abilities already.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

Understood Drunkle… Unfortunately most parenting when your kids become school age, and I cannot speak from experience cuz mine are still toddlers, probably consists of undoing alot of the bad things kids pick up from their friends in the environments at school or just from hanging out with other friends. So your point about sending them to a boarding school may be valid for that reason. I look back at my own childhood and in no way shape or form will I allow my kids to grow up doing the things that I did. I was much to unsupervised. I am hoping that will make me a better parent today. However, I can remember lots of arguments that my parents had, a totally screwed up sister, lots of drugs in the family with my brothers and stuff… all kinds of unmentionables… I don’t know if boarding school would have helped.. In reality, I think exposure to that stuff helped me understand it alot more. I don’t know it is hard to describe. I do know that there are times when having the family physically there near you, loving them and hating their guts at the same time, was important in retrospect. I went to UCSD and turned out okay. Do I think all families are as f’d up as mine was… I doubt it but I bet there are plenty of those out there who had their share of family fun. Hey you love your family for the good and the bad right?

Like you I want my kid to be better then me. I think I can raise them to be that way. If I had a transitional job or a situation where I didn’t believe I could spend alot of time with them then no I would not have had kids to begin with. I think that the upbringing you had would result in your own parenting to be top notch. The fact that you would not even think of bringing a child into this world unless you had an ideal situation speaks volumes of your parenting abilities already.

SD Realtor

[sdrealtor]

sd r,
your family sounds like mine

[sdrealtor]

sd r,
your family sounds like mine

[Ozzie]

No I don’t have a link, but I’m friends with about 30-40 teachers in the EUSD/SDUHS districts. One has been teaching 30 years and told me the teachers in his school are the best he’s ever seen. The other thing he told me which realy stuck was he felt honored to teach at this school because so many teachers apply but very few get chosen. That’s a great definition of a good school. The teachers are begging to get in. BTW, he gets up at 4:00 every morning to begin his day and is probably the last to leave the school. I’m honored he was able to instruct my two daughters.

[Ozzie]

No I don’t have a link, but I’m friends with about 30-40 teachers in the EUSD/SDUHS districts. One has been teaching 30 years and told me the teachers in his school are the best he’s ever seen. The other thing he told me which realy stuck was he felt honored to teach at this school because so many teachers apply but very few get chosen. That’s a great definition of a good school. The teachers are begging to get in. BTW, he gets up at 4:00 every morning to begin his day and is probably the last to leave the school. I’m honored he was able to instruct my two daughters.

[drunkle]

sd r:

god forbid i should ever have to face these problems for real. dealing with immature roommates is nightmare enough.

and should i be doubly cursed with a girl child, i’d either kill myself or the rest of the world.

good luck with your own puppies. teach them honesty, forthrightness and courage. honesty to admit when they dont know or if they’re wrong, forthrightness to stand up for what they do know, courage to oppose the tide.

[drunkle]

sd r:

god forbid i should ever have to face these problems for real. dealing with immature roommates is nightmare enough.

and should i be doubly cursed with a girl child, i’d either kill myself or the rest of the world.

good luck with your own puppies. teach them honesty, forthrightness and courage. honesty to admit when they dont know or if they’re wrong, forthrightness to stand up for what they do know, courage to oppose the tide.

[drunkle]

ozzie:

the question of money does matter. teachers are human too, given the choice between working a “good” school and a “bad” one, money can be the difference.

speaking of which, i know some of the people working a district that you would think has money, has influence, has credentials. they’re morons.

i met a teacher at a school in the barrio. he cared. he knew better. he was aces. his district administrator holding the purse strings was a douchebag.

edit:

come to think of it, i’d tend to think that teachers at “poor” schools may be of better heart. they care, they want to make a difference and they know that they can make a bigger difference, if but to one child, at an underpriviledged place than a priviledged one. it’s the harder road to travel. perhaps not all, perhaps only even a few. but all it takes is that one special teacher in your life.

[drunkle]

ozzie:

the question of money does matter. teachers are human too, given the choice between working a “good” school and a “bad” one, money can be the difference.

speaking of which, i know some of the people working a district that you would think has money, has influence, has credentials. they’re morons.

i met a teacher at a school in the barrio. he cared. he knew better. he was aces. his district administrator holding the purse strings was a douchebag.

edit:

come to think of it, i’d tend to think that teachers at “poor” schools may be of better heart. they care, they want to make a difference and they know that they can make a bigger difference, if but to one child, at an underpriviledged place than a priviledged one. it’s the harder road to travel. perhaps not all, perhaps only even a few. but all it takes is that one special teacher in your life.

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