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May 13, 2015 at 11:25 AM #786178May 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM #786179
The-Shoveler
ParticipantIMO Of course being in a best/better school is best/better if possible but from what I have seen, it’s a lot more about the student and the parent than the school or the teacher.
May 13, 2015 at 1:37 PM #786184FlyerInHi
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As far as the people, the only difference is that when people from the Northeast are annoyed at something, they vent. Loudly. They don’t pretend to make nice while getting ready to backstab you as much. I find the honesty refreashing.[/quote]It’s the culture. You’re supposed to be sunny and relaxed in So. Cal. Not cool to show stress.
I consider San diego and Orange County to be very similar. Apparently they are pretty low stress places to live.
http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/stress3.aspxMay 13, 2015 at 2:10 PM #786185Participant1 Tacoma, WA
2 Miami, FLWow never would have expected it, these lists are very subjective IMO.
I have spent several weeks in both locals (well in the case of Miami, Fort Lauderdale) and they did not seem particularly stressful. In fact I was always kind of jealous of engineer colleagues who owned homes with boat launches on the intercoastal (they would tell me of their diving trips over the weekend when I came in on Mondays LOL).
In contrast I have run into some very uptight and in your face people in OC.
May 13, 2015 at 2:18 PM #786187Guest[quote=spdrun] There’s also a lot of old money that’s down-to-earth rather than being flashy and in your face like in CA (or even NYC).
[/quote]Money is not down to earth period. If old money were down to earth, you wouldn’t know they have money.
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Little of the Californian BS about schools, either. If you move into a well-run town, you’ll have good schools, and you can generally rent something OK for cheaper than in San Diego.
[/quote]San Diego is inside the city, even if it’s Rancho Bernardo. Cheap New Jersey is way outside of NYC.
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Come to think of it, your home base of Vegas seems to have thrived on lack of class and turned it into a profit center.
[/quote]To get rich is glorious, spd. That’s the foundation of America. Unlikely comment from New York, the ultimate corporate town, built on profits.
May 13, 2015 at 2:37 PM #786188spdrun
ParticipantCheap NJ with decent schools can be closer than the North County suburbs are to San Diego. As far as knowing that old money has money, you don’t know, unless you know them 🙂 But they’re often the people living in the same house they bought 30 years ago, driving an older car that they bought for cash. Not so different from bearishgurl’s friends in Chula Vista.
The stress survey you posted is pretty suspect, BTW. It ranks NYC near the top, but its nearby suburban counties near the bottom. I think New Yorkers complain more, but people from the area aren’t actually all that stressed.
May 13, 2015 at 3:02 PM #786189Guest[quote=spdrun] Not so different from bearishgurl’s friends in Chula Vista.
[/quote]In my book, there’s not any old money in Chula Vista. Point Loma, Mission Hills, La Jolla… yes.
San Diego neighborhoods are master planned beginning with Kensington, I believe. People of certain social demographics moved in from the onset. Maybe they became richer over time, and never moved. But old money they are not.[quote=spdrun]Cheap NJ with decent schools can be closer than the North County suburbs are to San Diego. [/quote]
Closer mileage wise, but a lot farther commuting time wise to work and to NYC.
Do you realize that Carmel Valley is 1, 2, maybe 3 freeway exits from people’s work?
May 13, 2015 at 4:55 PM #786191njtosd
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Little of the Californian BS about schools, either. If you move into a well-run town, you’ll have good schools, and you can generally rent something OK for cheaper than in San Diego. It doesn’t matter where you live in town — there’s generally one high school and one district only, though grade schools might be different.[/quote]
When were you last in a NJ school? More BS there than here, in my opinion. And the per student cost, for example, at West Morris Mendham was 200% of that for Torrey Pines (last I checked) with significantly lower SAT scores(for 2013 – WMM = 1693, CCA = 1818). Average SAT scores (not a great indicator, but the only apples to apples I can think of) are virtually identical for NJ as a whole vs CA, even though the median household income is roughly $10,000 more in NJ. NJ residents love patting themselves on the back about their schools – in my opinion they are paying an enormous amount for administrative overhead and assuming that the kids are doing better because of it.
May 13, 2015 at 9:57 PM #786206ParticipantFlyerInHI: do you realize that a lot of people who live in NJ commute more locally, not always into the city?
May 13, 2015 at 9:58 PM #786204ParticipantNJ top schools are more diverse than equivalent top schools in the San Diego area. No crapola like Mello Roos, where a newly-built community can buy itself its own gated school.
I went to a highly-rated high school in NJ, but shared a school with children of immigrants who barely spoke English, children of blue-collar workers, as well as children of wealthier families. Not all families places as high of a value on education, but the diversity was actually a good experience in and of itself.
There isn’t as much economic self-segregation in NJ as there is in San Diego. Thankfully!
May 14, 2015 at 1:44 AM #786208
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]NJ top schools are more diverse than equivalent top schools in the San Diego area. No crapola like Mello Roos, where a newly-built community can buy itself its own gated school.
I went to a highly-rated high school in NJ, but shared a school with children of immigrants who barely spoke English, children of blue-collar workers, as well as children of wealthier families. Not all families places as high of a value on education, but the diversity was actually a good experience in and of itself.
There isn’t as much economic self-segregation in NJ as there is in San Diego. Thankfully![/quote]
Juat curious, why would you care about attending a better rank high school, if you don’t care about attending a better rank college ,where it would really make a difference?
And sorry, I don’t see how being in an environment in which people don’t place a value on education is a good thing, unless you think it’s a good thing to learn not to give a hoot about trying to improve oneself.
I think that’s one of the biggest problems people in this country have. They don’t give a hoot about education…and then they wonder why there is economic inequality. But hey, talking about “diversity” is so en vogue in this country….It’s what swanky people do….since it sounds cool…
May 14, 2015 at 9:58 AM #786212GuestEconomic diversity is like the paradox of thrift. Good for society as a whole, but bad for kids who might be influenced by lesser values.
May 14, 2015 at 10:03 AM #786213Guest[quote=spdrun]FlyerInHI: do you realize that a lot of people who live in NJ commute more locally, not always into the city?[/quote]
In greater NY, I see lots of commuters shivering at train stations in the winter. Sweltering in the summer. Getting drenched in rain. Seems like life in San Diego is more physically pleasant because the whole city is air-conditioned.
May 14, 2015 at 10:29 AM #786214ParticipantLike it or not USA car culture is what makes it one of the best places to live (and most efficient) if you can afford it.
May 14, 2015 at 10:51 AM #786215ParticipantYet some of the most desirable areas in San Diego are ones that are walkable, and not dependent on some G-d forsaken rolling prison of glass and steel to so much as buy t.p. to wipe your bottom. Funny that wealthier people in the US tend to shy away from cage-dependent neighborhoods. Why else would Manhattan, Brooklyn, Cambridge, waterfront Chicago, San Francisco, etc be so desirable, as reflected in their sale prices?
FlyerInHI: San Diego has a more pleasant climate six months out of the year. Less hot, humid, and rainy in summer. The great benefit is that the A/C is natural. If it had winters that weren’t only fit for weaklings, I’d consider moving there.
flu: Define “lesser values”, please. Is working for some big-pig firm like Qualcomm, coming in to work every morning wanting to smack your boss, staying there for 10-11 hours a day, and getting fired at 40 because you’re “out of date” really the pinnacle of achievement? At least most of the blue-collar folks I know who started their own small businesses are still working past 40 and doing decently well.
Frankly, I’d rather see my kids end up as plumbers or electrical contractors than as some mid-level schnook working for Qualcomm or even Google. At least they’re more likely to own a business that way and not be beholden to some shitheel manager.
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