CA State Budget Passed – State’s demise imminent

[an]

[quote=afx114]
Isn’t moving the attempting to dispute my point by using a theoretical? You can’t pick and choose your data points after they’ve passed. That’s like saying, “Yeah, we lost the ballgame 13-5, but if we would have scored 9 runs in the 3rd the outcome would have been different.” While that may be true, that is not how things played out.

But I’ll humor AN with his example. Lets say Bush lost in 2004, would Kerry have continued with tax cuts and increased spending? Maybe. But probably not, because Kerry subscribes to a different economic philosophy. He campaigned on balancing the budget (as opposed to Cheney’s “deficits don’t matter”). We probably would have seen a return to the economic policies of the 1990’s (attempt to balance the budget through increased taxes), and we would have seen a vastly different 2004-2008. Would we still have the current crisis? Probably. Would it be unfolding much differently if the US was able to attack it with a budget surplus in its arsenal? Damn right it would be.

The point is, those two time periods, 1992-2000 and 2000-2008, each represent two very different economic philosophies, with two very different outcomes. You can run theoreticals all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that one economic philosophy has shown certain results, while the other has shown the opposite.[/quote]
You’re assuming when tax cut/hike occur, it affects the economy immediately. Last I check, .com bubble was bubbling well before 1998. It just popped in 2001 instead of 2000. I give credit of both bubbles and pops to Greenspan and not the presidents.

I won’t go into hypothetical with regards to what would happen if Kerry won in 2004. All I’m trying to say is where you draw the line will paint a very different pictures. In 2004-2005, Bush approval rating was high, because everyone was supper happy, thinking they’re rich from housing. That’s why he got elected a 2nd term. If majority wasn’t happy w/ his performance the first 4 years, they would have voted him out.

[sd_matt]

No one seems to be paying much attention to one of Maldonado’s demands, putting open primaries on the ballot. Is this a lost cause or is the majority still focused on the next 24 hours like usual?

Bill Handel said that our legislature is like two immovable forces hitting head on. Judging from the last budget crises I agree. Unless I’m missing something I think an open primary would be good for us in the long run. In principle I love the idea. Of course it is going to get tag-teamed by both the Blues and the Reds, oh and don’t forget the polarized media. Sigh.

Well, for the sake of conversation,does anyone know what open primaries have done for other states?

[sd_matt]

No one seems to be paying much attention to one of Maldonado’s demands, putting open primaries on the ballot. Is this a lost cause or is the majority still focused on the next 24 hours like usual?

Bill Handel said that our legislature is like two immovable forces hitting head on. Judging from the last budget crises I agree. Unless I’m missing something I think an open primary would be good for us in the long run. In principle I love the idea. Of course it is going to get tag-teamed by both the Blues and the Reds, oh and don’t forget the polarized media. Sigh.

Well, for the sake of conversation,does anyone know what open primaries have done for other states?

[sd_matt]

No one seems to be paying much attention to one of Maldonado’s demands, putting open primaries on the ballot. Is this a lost cause or is the majority still focused on the next 24 hours like usual?

Bill Handel said that our legislature is like two immovable forces hitting head on. Judging from the last budget crises I agree. Unless I’m missing something I think an open primary would be good for us in the long run. In principle I love the idea. Of course it is going to get tag-teamed by both the Blues and the Reds, oh and don’t forget the polarized media. Sigh.

Well, for the sake of conversation,does anyone know what open primaries have done for other states?

[sd_matt]

No one seems to be paying much attention to one of Maldonado’s demands, putting open primaries on the ballot. Is this a lost cause or is the majority still focused on the next 24 hours like usual?

Bill Handel said that our legislature is like two immovable forces hitting head on. Judging from the last budget crises I agree. Unless I’m missing something I think an open primary would be good for us in the long run. In principle I love the idea. Of course it is going to get tag-teamed by both the Blues and the Reds, oh and don’t forget the polarized media. Sigh.

Well, for the sake of conversation,does anyone know what open primaries have done for other states?

[sd_matt]

No one seems to be paying much attention to one of Maldonado’s demands, putting open primaries on the ballot. Is this a lost cause or is the majority still focused on the next 24 hours like usual?

Bill Handel said that our legislature is like two immovable forces hitting head on. Judging from the last budget crises I agree. Unless I’m missing something I think an open primary would be good for us in the long run. In principle I love the idea. Of course it is going to get tag-teamed by both the Blues and the Reds, oh and don’t forget the polarized media. Sigh.

Well, for the sake of conversation,does anyone know what open primaries have done for other states?

[kewp]

[quote=meadandale]
If we all move, there will be noone left to pay your state funded salary there big guy. Seems you have a conflict of interest when it comes to state taxes seeing as you are suckling off the government tit.
[/quote]

Most of my salary is via grants, both from the Federal Gov. and private sector. And as students are overhead, we can always cut enrollment or raise fees to make up a budget shortfall.

Again, if you don’t want to pay the admission fee, leave the park. No one is keeping you here.

[kewp]

[quote=meadandale]
If we all move, there will be noone left to pay your state funded salary there big guy. Seems you have a conflict of interest when it comes to state taxes seeing as you are suckling off the government tit.
[/quote]

Most of my salary is via grants, both from the Federal Gov. and private sector. And as students are overhead, we can always cut enrollment or raise fees to make up a budget shortfall.

Again, if you don’t want to pay the admission fee, leave the park. No one is keeping you here.

[kewp]

[quote=meadandale]
If we all move, there will be noone left to pay your state funded salary there big guy. Seems you have a conflict of interest when it comes to state taxes seeing as you are suckling off the government tit.
[/quote]

Most of my salary is via grants, both from the Federal Gov. and private sector. And as students are overhead, we can always cut enrollment or raise fees to make up a budget shortfall.

Again, if you don’t want to pay the admission fee, leave the park. No one is keeping you here.

[kewp]

[quote=meadandale]
If we all move, there will be noone left to pay your state funded salary there big guy. Seems you have a conflict of interest when it comes to state taxes seeing as you are suckling off the government tit.
[/quote]

Most of my salary is via grants, both from the Federal Gov. and private sector. And as students are overhead, we can always cut enrollment or raise fees to make up a budget shortfall.

Again, if you don’t want to pay the admission fee, leave the park. No one is keeping you here.

[kewp]

[quote=meadandale]
If we all move, there will be noone left to pay your state funded salary there big guy. Seems you have a conflict of interest when it comes to state taxes seeing as you are suckling off the government tit.
[/quote]

Most of my salary is via grants, both from the Federal Gov. and private sector. And as students are overhead, we can always cut enrollment or raise fees to make up a budget shortfall.

Again, if you don’t want to pay the admission fee, leave the park. No one is keeping you here.

[gandalf]

Definitely. You all should leave if you don’t like it. Move to Arkansas. It’s nice there. Low taxes.

[gandalf]

Definitely. You all should leave if you don’t like it. Move to Arkansas. It’s nice there. Low taxes.

[gandalf]

Definitely. You all should leave if you don’t like it. Move to Arkansas. It’s nice there. Low taxes.

[gandalf]

Definitely. You all should leave if you don’t like it. Move to Arkansas. It’s nice there. Low taxes.

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