Buying Next to Islamic Center

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=njtosd]
Show me the statistics – I’ve looked and can’t find them.
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There are surveys of rural Americans asked about their top concerns.

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Show me where. Just because you believe it doesn’t make it true.

[ltsddd]

[quote=njtosd][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=njtosd]
Show me the statistics – I’ve looked and can’t find them.
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There are surveys of rural Americans asked about their top concerns.

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Show me where. Just because you believe it doesn’t make it true.[/quote]

I confess. I was curious enough to search it up. Didn’t find sh!t.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=njtosd]
Show me where. Just because you believe it doesn’t make it true.[/quote]

But lack of data doesn’t make it false either.

Anyway…. In recent news about Trump’s ban on Muslims entering America.

There’s an urban-rural divide, too: Just 13 percent of urban respondents and 27 percent of suburban respondents back Trump’s plan, compared with 41 percent of rural Americans.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-57-oppose-trumps-muslim-proposal-n477941

Anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic and anti-immigration sentiments in general are strongest in rural America, areas that are least affected by new immigrants.

This is one of the those “no-shit?-do-we-need-to-give-a-professor-a-grant-to-tell-us?” issue.

[all]

In urban places, 57% agree that “occasional acts of terrorism” are the new norm, according to a 2012 Pew Research survey. In suburban places that number is 69% and in rural places it is 66%.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/04/19/politics-counts-terror-fears-and-polls/

[spdrun]

I agree that some level of crime/terrorism/etc has always been the norm (remember the Haymarket bombings?). But just because it’s the norm doesn’t justify curtailment of civil liberties. Cr@p happens in a free society, part of the cost of living.

[Hobie]

Remember Polio? I’m sure you will agree that our society is much better off with it.

Same with my garden. If I don’t pluck the weeds, soon they will dominate the plot.

Sure there will always be crazy, but let’s not turn our back on it.

[spdrun]

Eradication of either of your examples didn’t require a police state. I’d rather live with an 0.000001% higher risk of death than live in a fucking surveillance state.

America: You’re going to stop me at an internal “border” checkpoint, and as a US citizen ask me my detailed plans for the next two weeks? Go FUCK yourself. You want to tie my travels in my own fucking country to an identity? Same. Fuck yourself.

The risk of contracting polio was also quite high before the vaccine. Unlike the risk of being exposed to a terrorist attack on US soil, which has essentially been zero for the last century.

[jeff303]

You are literally more likely to be killed by furniture, than a terrorist, in the U.S.

[spdrun]

You’re more likely to be accidentally shot in the foot by a family member cleaning their gun than be hurt by a terrorist. Yet people scream whenever slight restrictions on firearms are created, despite that laws are looser now than 20-30 years ago.

[njtosd]

[quote=spdrun]You’re more likely to be accidentally shot in the foot by a family member cleaning their gun than be hurt by a terrorist. Yet people scream whenever slight restrictions on firearms are created, despite that laws are looser now than 20-30 years ago.[/quote]

Actually, 2/3 of gun related deaths in the US are suicides. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/

Would those deaths disappear if there were no guns? Would changing the current gun laws decrease the likelihood of suicide? Hard to say, but since we are about the middle of the pack (maybe a little higher than average) compared to European countries, the likelihood is that it wouldn’t change much. And the rate of suicide among the elderly is going up in a way that’s very frightening: http://gerocentral.org/clinical-toolbox/clinical-issues/suicide-2/

These sort of stats are largely ignored – because people don’t feel threatened by other people’s suicides, especially when they are old (and most commonly old white men).

With respect to the other 1/3 of gun deaths, I think changing the gun laws will do little good. Switzerland is an often cited example (http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/) of a place where guns are common but gun violence is uncommon.

I don’t like guns, I’ve never owned a gun but just as money doesn’t buy happiness, gun laws don’t buy safety. There are clearly other factors at work that no one seems to be paying attention to. Children could buy hunting rifles at department stores in the 60s, but we didn’t have the problems we do now.

And Brian, referring to your earlier post – I am a scientist. Data is important. At one point people laughed at those that thought the world was round. Challenge your assumptions – and maybe you’ll learn something ;).

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=njtosd].And Brian – I am a scientist. Data is important. At one point people laughed at those that thought the world was round. Challenge your assumptions – and maybe you’ll learn something ;).[/quote]

Yeah, data is important. And when the facts change, i change my mind.

Depending on where one stands on a an issue one might argue “duh, common sense says”, or “show me the data before i believe you.”

On population, some people even refuse to accept what scientific surveys report. They insist on an actual count that is 10 years late.

As a scientist, you know that a lot can happen, and many people can get hurt before there is irrefutable data. In business, data is important for sure, but waiting for it can cause you to miss many opportunities. A good balance of common sense and data based reasoning is required.

Examples:
A lot of people died and suffered while we were waiting for data on smoking. Of course, common sense says smoking is bad.

Show me that God exists. Or without positive proof, let’s assume there is no such thing. Faith makes a scientist pretty gullible here.

And there’s an interesting business example. The failure of Fresh and Easy (the American entry by British supermarket giant Tesco) is an example that data is not everything. They spent millions upon millions studying what consumers want. The had marketers live with American consumers to ask them questions and determine their wishes. The data was probably correct, but people are not necessarily willing to pay for the convenience they want.

[bearishgurl]

How do you think all this stuff gets into our supermarkets, brian? Even food CA doesn’t produce (or doesn’t produce enough of for its own population?

Red dots are packing plants. Who is working there?:

http://www.tysonfoods.com/Our-Story/Locations.aspx

Who produces and packs the beef for at least 80% of the restaurants in the US?

http://swiftbeef.com/contact-us/

Red dots are manufacturing facilities. Who is working there?:

http://www.conagrafoodscareers.com/Media/pdf/ConAgraRecruitMap010915.pdf

Who is tending US tobacco fields and working in their factories?

http://www.altria.com/our-companies/philipmorrisusa/about-philipmorris-usa/our-offices-and-facilities/Pages/default.aspx?src=sitemap

Who is picking and processing apples in Washington for export and domestic use?

http://fruitgrowersnews.com/downloads/2012/WAC_Econ_ImpactReport_Final_082912.pdf

Who is working in the fishing industry? And who is cultivating and processing the grapes and wine in CA? How about all the crops in CA’s San Joaquin Valley which feed the entire nation? And the local egg ranches from state to state? Except for a portion of the fisheries, ALL of the above plants are located in “rural” or semi-rural” areas, brian.

Those are but just a few examples.

There are not enough American boomers left in these areas still working FT to staff these plants. Even less of Gen X stayed back in their hometowns after HS in past decades because more of them attended college. And do you actually believe that US-born Gen Y stayed in their rural hometowns after HS to staff manufacturing plants??

Think again. The majority of Gen Y are currently in college or have already graduated with a degree so have no need to return to their small hometowns in flyover country to work for next to nothing. A portion of rural Gen Y male HS graduates are currently working for Halliburton staffing oil wells (fracking industry) and were recently making over $150K per year (plus room/board). I have no idea how much they’re making since the price of oil plummeted but most are/were saving 99% of their salaries and moving constantly for their employer wherever they are needed.

Hint: the native countries of the employee base for US farming and manufacturing concerns varies wildly from location to location. It may not necessarily be what you would expect.

FIH, I do think of you as “worldly,” yes . . . but you can’t see much of this great nation from the window seat of a plane en route from large city to large city. You need to take some time out of your busy life to hit the road, bro . . . I think you would learn a LOT by doing so! Your “armchair surfing” doesn’t compare to a (more authentic) boots-on-the-ground experience. Not by a long shot :=)

After going over Hoover Dam, you can start your Route 66 journey thru flyover America right here:

[img_assist|nid=25682|title=US 93 just over NV/AZ border|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=382|height=307]

Or from SoCal, start here:

https://foursquare.com/v/i15–i40-junction/4ca1378f8afca093e09b1916

Wait until it warms up and take a month off! I think you will find the face of US farming/manufacturing has changed exponentially in the past 25-35 years (depending on industry).

[bearishgurl]

In my travels, I just haven’t seen the animosity FIH describes towards immigrants living and working locally. The Native born in those areas (and there are hundreds of areas) aren’t going to do these jobs themselves, NOR do they want their kids working there. Many in the older generations HAVE done these jobs in the past and even retired from jobs in the above industries. That’s all the more reason why they want their kids gone to college ASAP after HS. They don’t want them to have that kind of life.

Even some parents/grandparents who own longtime family farms passed down through generations do not want their kids (or all their kids) to follow in their footsteps because this lifestyle just isn’t very financially viable anymore without heavy dependence on government subsidies from year to year.

[Coronita]

Well, back to the original OP’s post. As a reflection of his frustration for the (lack of ) inventory. It seems like if he didn’t manage to buy yet, his frustration is probably at an all time high….

Because inventory where he wants to buy is at a pretty low point…

http://www.sdlookup.com/Market-92130-Carmel_Valley

95 SFH only…..ouch..And just looking at them, many of them are $1.7m+

[dumbrenter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=dumbrenter]20%: start pushing the boundaries, open call for prayer, open display of numbers[/quote]

You mean like the people evangelizing at the beach or any other public place? Most of the midwest, the church bells ring before mass.

What’s the difference?[/quote]

I guess you have not read the link I provided.
If you don’t get the difference between a jehovah witness evangelizing at the beach vs being forced to adjust your lifestyle for somebody’s call for prayer, I have nothing further to say that will be useful to talk to you.

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