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  • November 19, 2009 at 5:02 PM #484442
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    Shorting at this point is a lot less risky than being long any stocks given the market just ran up 70% on no good fundamentals.

    Better to use ETFs to short the market, try http://www.proshares.com/

    November 19, 2009 at 5:37 PM #484643
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    “Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.

    November 19, 2009 at 5:37 PM #485016
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    “Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.

    November 19, 2009 at 5:37 PM #485331
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    “Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.

    November 19, 2009 at 5:37 PM #484475
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    “Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.

    November 19, 2009 at 5:37 PM #485100
    infoseeker
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    “Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.

    November 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM #484673
    jimmyle
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    The front load fee of BEARX is 5.5%, too high for in and out strategy.

    [quote=infoseeker]”Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.[/quote]

    November 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM #485361
    jimmyle
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    The front load fee of BEARX is 5.5%, too high for in and out strategy.

    [quote=infoseeker]”Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.[/quote]

    November 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM #485046
    jimmyle
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    The front load fee of BEARX is 5.5%, too high for in and out strategy.

    [quote=infoseeker]”Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.[/quote]

    November 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM #485130
    jimmyle
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    The front load fee of BEARX is 5.5%, too high for in and out strategy.

    [quote=infoseeker]”Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.[/quote]

    November 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM #484505
    jimmyle
    Participant

    The front load fee of BEARX is 5.5%, too high for in and out strategy.

    [quote=infoseeker]”Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.[/quote]

    November 19, 2009 at 8:17 PM #484688
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    [quote=infoseeker]”Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.[/quote]

    That last sentence is very important. Essentially, time erodes the value of the leveraged (2X, 3X) inverse funds. They can lose money, even if the market trend is on your side. Do not buy these unless you really understand the risks.

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/31113-inverse-short-market-cap-etfs

    November 19, 2009 at 8:17 PM #485376
    CA renter
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    [quote=infoseeker]”Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.[/quote]

    That last sentence is very important. Essentially, time erodes the value of the leveraged (2X, 3X) inverse funds. They can lose money, even if the market trend is on your side. Do not buy these unless you really understand the risks.

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/31113-inverse-short-market-cap-etfs

    November 19, 2009 at 8:17 PM #485145
    CA renter
    Participant

    [quote=infoseeker]”Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.[/quote]

    That last sentence is very important. Essentially, time erodes the value of the leveraged (2X, 3X) inverse funds. They can lose money, even if the market trend is on your side. Do not buy these unless you really understand the risks.

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/31113-inverse-short-market-cap-etfs

    November 19, 2009 at 8:17 PM #484520
    CA renter
    Participant

    [quote=infoseeker]”Market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”.. that being said I have had some luck in BEARX, EEV and SKF during last year’s bloodbath… was just lucky on the timing. Ultrashorts are a good choice. IMO watch for the market to turn soar by certain percentage and then get in and get out with discipline after certain gains. Sideways market erodes bear funds.[/quote]

    That last sentence is very important. Essentially, time erodes the value of the leveraged (2X, 3X) inverse funds. They can lose money, even if the market trend is on your side. Do not buy these unless you really understand the risks.

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/31113-inverse-short-market-cap-etfs

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