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July 22, 2011 at 9:35 PM #713239July 23, 2011 at 9:55 AM #712185
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Participant[quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.
This is all just a marketing scheme for now.
CE[/quote]
So, in essence, you’re saying I was right w/ my original state of:
[quote=AN]What I’ve read is that, even LTE phones between VZW and AT&T are not compatible due to the different frequencies that the 2 LTE network operate at.[/quote]
You’re speculating that they’ll play nice in the future, but that’s nothing more than speculation. We’ll have to wait and see, but in the mean time, LTE devices today or in the next year can’t be used across the 2 different network.[/quote]Yes… You are correct but it is only because VZW has decided to play silly games. I really don’t know what they are afraid of… Even ATTs CEO said ATT wont catch up for years… The LTE its self is not any different.
As for the speculation it is speculation but there is a long history of companies doing this and in the end capitulating…
The device today are just different models of the same device so getting a phone on another network is kind of a mute point… There is an equilivent at the competitions…
Lastly, and you are probably aware of this… No matter who you go with the voice part of the phone is still on a 3G network… So for ATT your voice calls are still on UMTS… VZW… CDMA… With the data portion of being done by LTE…
BUT here is the dirty little seceret about that… For CMDA phones the smart phones monitor the EVDO channel… That channel burts a 16 Watt pilot as compared to the 2.4 Watt pilot of its voice equilavent… What the phone really tells in “in bars” is Signal to Noise… Now remember your phone is monitoring the Data channel and it is telling you the coverage in terms of the data channel… Problem is that unless Data usage is really heavy on your serving cell the Data coverage appears better than your voice!
I am not positive but I believe the LTE will work similiar until the network loads up and drive the SNR down.
What I am saying is don’t let the data network fool you into thinking your voice coverage is better…
If you really want LTE go VZW… By the time your contract is up… ATT will be everywhere and you will have your options! Plus VZW scores much higher interms of Network quality for SD County.
Regards AN.
CE
July 23, 2011 at 9:55 AM #712281Participant[quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.
This is all just a marketing scheme for now.
CE[/quote]
So, in essence, you’re saying I was right w/ my original state of:
[quote=AN]What I’ve read is that, even LTE phones between VZW and AT&T are not compatible due to the different frequencies that the 2 LTE network operate at.[/quote]
You’re speculating that they’ll play nice in the future, but that’s nothing more than speculation. We’ll have to wait and see, but in the mean time, LTE devices today or in the next year can’t be used across the 2 different network.[/quote]Yes… You are correct but it is only because VZW has decided to play silly games. I really don’t know what they are afraid of… Even ATTs CEO said ATT wont catch up for years… The LTE its self is not any different.
As for the speculation it is speculation but there is a long history of companies doing this and in the end capitulating…
The device today are just different models of the same device so getting a phone on another network is kind of a mute point… There is an equilivent at the competitions…
Lastly, and you are probably aware of this… No matter who you go with the voice part of the phone is still on a 3G network… So for ATT your voice calls are still on UMTS… VZW… CDMA… With the data portion of being done by LTE…
BUT here is the dirty little seceret about that… For CMDA phones the smart phones monitor the EVDO channel… That channel burts a 16 Watt pilot as compared to the 2.4 Watt pilot of its voice equilavent… What the phone really tells in “in bars” is Signal to Noise… Now remember your phone is monitoring the Data channel and it is telling you the coverage in terms of the data channel… Problem is that unless Data usage is really heavy on your serving cell the Data coverage appears better than your voice!
I am not positive but I believe the LTE will work similiar until the network loads up and drive the SNR down.
What I am saying is don’t let the data network fool you into thinking your voice coverage is better…
If you really want LTE go VZW… By the time your contract is up… ATT will be everywhere and you will have your options! Plus VZW scores much higher interms of Network quality for SD County.
Regards AN.
CE
July 23, 2011 at 9:55 AM #712879Participant[quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.
This is all just a marketing scheme for now.
CE[/quote]
So, in essence, you’re saying I was right w/ my original state of:
[quote=AN]What I’ve read is that, even LTE phones between VZW and AT&T are not compatible due to the different frequencies that the 2 LTE network operate at.[/quote]
You’re speculating that they’ll play nice in the future, but that’s nothing more than speculation. We’ll have to wait and see, but in the mean time, LTE devices today or in the next year can’t be used across the 2 different network.[/quote]Yes… You are correct but it is only because VZW has decided to play silly games. I really don’t know what they are afraid of… Even ATTs CEO said ATT wont catch up for years… The LTE its self is not any different.
As for the speculation it is speculation but there is a long history of companies doing this and in the end capitulating…
The device today are just different models of the same device so getting a phone on another network is kind of a mute point… There is an equilivent at the competitions…
Lastly, and you are probably aware of this… No matter who you go with the voice part of the phone is still on a 3G network… So for ATT your voice calls are still on UMTS… VZW… CDMA… With the data portion of being done by LTE…
BUT here is the dirty little seceret about that… For CMDA phones the smart phones monitor the EVDO channel… That channel burts a 16 Watt pilot as compared to the 2.4 Watt pilot of its voice equilavent… What the phone really tells in “in bars” is Signal to Noise… Now remember your phone is monitoring the Data channel and it is telling you the coverage in terms of the data channel… Problem is that unless Data usage is really heavy on your serving cell the Data coverage appears better than your voice!
I am not positive but I believe the LTE will work similiar until the network loads up and drive the SNR down.
What I am saying is don’t let the data network fool you into thinking your voice coverage is better…
If you really want LTE go VZW… By the time your contract is up… ATT will be everywhere and you will have your options! Plus VZW scores much higher interms of Network quality for SD County.
Regards AN.
CE
July 23, 2011 at 9:55 AM #713032Participant[quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.
This is all just a marketing scheme for now.
CE[/quote]
So, in essence, you’re saying I was right w/ my original state of:
[quote=AN]What I’ve read is that, even LTE phones between VZW and AT&T are not compatible due to the different frequencies that the 2 LTE network operate at.[/quote]
You’re speculating that they’ll play nice in the future, but that’s nothing more than speculation. We’ll have to wait and see, but in the mean time, LTE devices today or in the next year can’t be used across the 2 different network.[/quote]Yes… You are correct but it is only because VZW has decided to play silly games. I really don’t know what they are afraid of… Even ATTs CEO said ATT wont catch up for years… The LTE its self is not any different.
As for the speculation it is speculation but there is a long history of companies doing this and in the end capitulating…
The device today are just different models of the same device so getting a phone on another network is kind of a mute point… There is an equilivent at the competitions…
Lastly, and you are probably aware of this… No matter who you go with the voice part of the phone is still on a 3G network… So for ATT your voice calls are still on UMTS… VZW… CDMA… With the data portion of being done by LTE…
BUT here is the dirty little seceret about that… For CMDA phones the smart phones monitor the EVDO channel… That channel burts a 16 Watt pilot as compared to the 2.4 Watt pilot of its voice equilavent… What the phone really tells in “in bars” is Signal to Noise… Now remember your phone is monitoring the Data channel and it is telling you the coverage in terms of the data channel… Problem is that unless Data usage is really heavy on your serving cell the Data coverage appears better than your voice!
I am not positive but I believe the LTE will work similiar until the network loads up and drive the SNR down.
What I am saying is don’t let the data network fool you into thinking your voice coverage is better…
If you really want LTE go VZW… By the time your contract is up… ATT will be everywhere and you will have your options! Plus VZW scores much higher interms of Network quality for SD County.
Regards AN.
CE
July 23, 2011 at 9:55 AM #713390Participant[quote=AN][quote=CDMA ENG]What they really are saying is that currently they plan to make thier devices frequency dependent. I predict this will last about a year. Simple truth is that the handset makers radio will be able to do business on all of these frequencies. The chip makers do not want to retool to make the chip frequncy dependent therefore there will be some hardware or software fix, to limit searchable frequencies, for this which will take some smart hacker all of about 6 months to figure out. Trust me, someone will jail break these devices and then it game on. The handset is being hijacked as to hopefully keeping the consumer with them. Eventually these tactics fall apart and techincally the phone will be able to handle all of the 700 block and 2100 AWS spectrum.
This is all just a marketing scheme for now.
CE[/quote]
So, in essence, you’re saying I was right w/ my original state of:
[quote=AN]What I’ve read is that, even LTE phones between VZW and AT&T are not compatible due to the different frequencies that the 2 LTE network operate at.[/quote]
You’re speculating that they’ll play nice in the future, but that’s nothing more than speculation. We’ll have to wait and see, but in the mean time, LTE devices today or in the next year can’t be used across the 2 different network.[/quote]Yes… You are correct but it is only because VZW has decided to play silly games. I really don’t know what they are afraid of… Even ATTs CEO said ATT wont catch up for years… The LTE its self is not any different.
As for the speculation it is speculation but there is a long history of companies doing this and in the end capitulating…
The device today are just different models of the same device so getting a phone on another network is kind of a mute point… There is an equilivent at the competitions…
Lastly, and you are probably aware of this… No matter who you go with the voice part of the phone is still on a 3G network… So for ATT your voice calls are still on UMTS… VZW… CDMA… With the data portion of being done by LTE…
BUT here is the dirty little seceret about that… For CMDA phones the smart phones monitor the EVDO channel… That channel burts a 16 Watt pilot as compared to the 2.4 Watt pilot of its voice equilavent… What the phone really tells in “in bars” is Signal to Noise… Now remember your phone is monitoring the Data channel and it is telling you the coverage in terms of the data channel… Problem is that unless Data usage is really heavy on your serving cell the Data coverage appears better than your voice!
I am not positive but I believe the LTE will work similiar until the network loads up and drive the SNR down.
What I am saying is don’t let the data network fool you into thinking your voice coverage is better…
If you really want LTE go VZW… By the time your contract is up… ATT will be everywhere and you will have your options! Plus VZW scores much higher interms of Network quality for SD County.
Regards AN.
CE
July 23, 2011 at 9:59 AM #712190Participant[quote=SmellsFeeshy]Well I think you guys have convinced me to hold out for a true 4G/LTE phone. My contract is up in four months so it won’t be too long from now anyways. If AT&T has their LTE network up by then (which I guessing is highly unlikely) then perhaps I’ll stick with them, otherwise I’ll probably be looking into VZW/Sprint phones in a couple of months.[/quote]
See my last blog…
Like I said it looks like your only option this contract period is VZW for LTE…
ATT won’t be commericial LTE anytime soon here…
CE
July 23, 2011 at 9:59 AM #712286Participant[quote=SmellsFeeshy]Well I think you guys have convinced me to hold out for a true 4G/LTE phone. My contract is up in four months so it won’t be too long from now anyways. If AT&T has their LTE network up by then (which I guessing is highly unlikely) then perhaps I’ll stick with them, otherwise I’ll probably be looking into VZW/Sprint phones in a couple of months.[/quote]
See my last blog…
Like I said it looks like your only option this contract period is VZW for LTE…
ATT won’t be commericial LTE anytime soon here…
CE
July 23, 2011 at 9:59 AM #712884Participant[quote=SmellsFeeshy]Well I think you guys have convinced me to hold out for a true 4G/LTE phone. My contract is up in four months so it won’t be too long from now anyways. If AT&T has their LTE network up by then (which I guessing is highly unlikely) then perhaps I’ll stick with them, otherwise I’ll probably be looking into VZW/Sprint phones in a couple of months.[/quote]
See my last blog…
Like I said it looks like your only option this contract period is VZW for LTE…
ATT won’t be commericial LTE anytime soon here…
CE
July 23, 2011 at 9:59 AM #713037Participant[quote=SmellsFeeshy]Well I think you guys have convinced me to hold out for a true 4G/LTE phone. My contract is up in four months so it won’t be too long from now anyways. If AT&T has their LTE network up by then (which I guessing is highly unlikely) then perhaps I’ll stick with them, otherwise I’ll probably be looking into VZW/Sprint phones in a couple of months.[/quote]
See my last blog…
Like I said it looks like your only option this contract period is VZW for LTE…
ATT won’t be commericial LTE anytime soon here…
CE
July 23, 2011 at 9:59 AM #713395Participant[quote=SmellsFeeshy]Well I think you guys have convinced me to hold out for a true 4G/LTE phone. My contract is up in four months so it won’t be too long from now anyways. If AT&T has their LTE network up by then (which I guessing is highly unlikely) then perhaps I’ll stick with them, otherwise I’ll probably be looking into VZW/Sprint phones in a couple of months.[/quote]
See my last blog…
Like I said it looks like your only option this contract period is VZW for LTE…
ATT won’t be commericial LTE anytime soon here…
CE
July 23, 2011 at 10:06 AM #712195Participant[quote=flu][quote=SmellsFeeshy]Well I think you guys have convinced me to hold out for a true 4G/LTE phone. My contract is up in four months so it won’t be too long from now anyways. If AT&T has their LTE network up by then (which I guessing is highly unlikely) then perhaps I’ll stick with them, otherwise I’ll probably be looking into VZW/Sprint phones in a couple of months.[/quote]
CDMAENG and AN!!!!! I needed more people to buy some of these android phones so I can make more money…Sheesh, thanks for nothing!
:)[/quote]
I LOVE MY ANDROID PHONE FOR THE RECORD! PEOPLE BUY MORE SO I CAN GET MY BELOVED APPS ON THEM! THE MORE PEOPLE BUY THE GREATER THE SUPPORT…
ALSO FLU HAS HIS EYES ON THE AUDI S8 AND HIS WINE CELLAR HAS GROWN THIN OF CHATEU MONTELANA, OPUS, DUCKHORN. A MAN CAN NOT LIVE LIKE THIS! PLEASE SUPPORT FLU IN HIS ENDEAVORS TO PROPERLY DEVELOP HIS WINE PALLET!
Thank you and god bless…
😛
CE
July 23, 2011 at 10:06 AM #712291Participant[quote=flu][quote=SmellsFeeshy]Well I think you guys have convinced me to hold out for a true 4G/LTE phone. My contract is up in four months so it won’t be too long from now anyways. If AT&T has their LTE network up by then (which I guessing is highly unlikely) then perhaps I’ll stick with them, otherwise I’ll probably be looking into VZW/Sprint phones in a couple of months.[/quote]
CDMAENG and AN!!!!! I needed more people to buy some of these android phones so I can make more money…Sheesh, thanks for nothing!
:)[/quote]
I LOVE MY ANDROID PHONE FOR THE RECORD! PEOPLE BUY MORE SO I CAN GET MY BELOVED APPS ON THEM! THE MORE PEOPLE BUY THE GREATER THE SUPPORT…
ALSO FLU HAS HIS EYES ON THE AUDI S8 AND HIS WINE CELLAR HAS GROWN THIN OF CHATEU MONTELANA, OPUS, DUCKHORN. A MAN CAN NOT LIVE LIKE THIS! PLEASE SUPPORT FLU IN HIS ENDEAVORS TO PROPERLY DEVELOP HIS WINE PALLET!
Thank you and god bless…
😛
CE
July 23, 2011 at 10:06 AM #712889Participant[quote=flu][quote=SmellsFeeshy]Well I think you guys have convinced me to hold out for a true 4G/LTE phone. My contract is up in four months so it won’t be too long from now anyways. If AT&T has their LTE network up by then (which I guessing is highly unlikely) then perhaps I’ll stick with them, otherwise I’ll probably be looking into VZW/Sprint phones in a couple of months.[/quote]
CDMAENG and AN!!!!! I needed more people to buy some of these android phones so I can make more money…Sheesh, thanks for nothing!
:)[/quote]
I LOVE MY ANDROID PHONE FOR THE RECORD! PEOPLE BUY MORE SO I CAN GET MY BELOVED APPS ON THEM! THE MORE PEOPLE BUY THE GREATER THE SUPPORT…
ALSO FLU HAS HIS EYES ON THE AUDI S8 AND HIS WINE CELLAR HAS GROWN THIN OF CHATEU MONTELANA, OPUS, DUCKHORN. A MAN CAN NOT LIVE LIKE THIS! PLEASE SUPPORT FLU IN HIS ENDEAVORS TO PROPERLY DEVELOP HIS WINE PALLET!
Thank you and god bless…
😛
CE
July 23, 2011 at 10:06 AM #713042Participant[quote=flu][quote=SmellsFeeshy]Well I think you guys have convinced me to hold out for a true 4G/LTE phone. My contract is up in four months so it won’t be too long from now anyways. If AT&T has their LTE network up by then (which I guessing is highly unlikely) then perhaps I’ll stick with them, otherwise I’ll probably be looking into VZW/Sprint phones in a couple of months.[/quote]
CDMAENG and AN!!!!! I needed more people to buy some of these android phones so I can make more money…Sheesh, thanks for nothing!
:)[/quote]
I LOVE MY ANDROID PHONE FOR THE RECORD! PEOPLE BUY MORE SO I CAN GET MY BELOVED APPS ON THEM! THE MORE PEOPLE BUY THE GREATER THE SUPPORT…
ALSO FLU HAS HIS EYES ON THE AUDI S8 AND HIS WINE CELLAR HAS GROWN THIN OF CHATEU MONTELANA, OPUS, DUCKHORN. A MAN CAN NOT LIVE LIKE THIS! PLEASE SUPPORT FLU IN HIS ENDEAVORS TO PROPERLY DEVELOP HIS WINE PALLET!
Thank you and god bless…
😛
CE
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