Beginning with hitler…

[KIBU]

Well, Hitler is not the only scumbag of history so I see no reason for people just to dwell on the guy.

There were other scumbags like Stalin, Lenin, Mao and a whole lots of WANNABE scumbags in history.

Oh except maybe one thing. The other scumbags didn’t overtly discriminate people based on race to the extreme EXTENT that Hitler did. Maybe that’s the big difference.

Maybe that’s the attraction?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=KIBU]Well, Hitler is not the only scumbag of history so I see no reason for people just to dwell on the guy.

There were other scumbags like Stalin, Lenin, Mao and a whole lots of WANNABE scumbags in history.

Oh except maybe one thing. The other scumbags didn’t overtly discriminate people based on race to the extreme EXTENT that Hitler did. Maybe that’s the big difference.

Maybe that’s the attraction?[/quote]

KIBU: I don’t know if I’d completely agree with that. Most people don’t realize that Stalin killed far more people in his paranoid repression (The “Great Terror”/”Great Purges” of 1936 – 1939) than Hitler ever did. Those murders may not have been as racially motivated as Hitler’s, but he did target specific ethnic minorities (think his campaigns against the Chechens and the Ingush in 1944, including their forced “deportation”) as well.

I would consider Mao and Stalin to be worse than Hitler, simply in terms of destruction and death and communism has proven far more deadly than fascism ever was (over 100MM dead).

Don’t forget about Pol Pot, too.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=KIBU]Well, Hitler is not the only scumbag of history so I see no reason for people just to dwell on the guy.

There were other scumbags like Stalin, Lenin, Mao and a whole lots of WANNABE scumbags in history.

Oh except maybe one thing. The other scumbags didn’t overtly discriminate people based on race to the extreme EXTENT that Hitler did. Maybe that’s the big difference.

Maybe that’s the attraction?[/quote]

KIBU: I don’t know if I’d completely agree with that. Most people don’t realize that Stalin killed far more people in his paranoid repression (The “Great Terror”/”Great Purges” of 1936 – 1939) than Hitler ever did. Those murders may not have been as racially motivated as Hitler’s, but he did target specific ethnic minorities (think his campaigns against the Chechens and the Ingush in 1944, including their forced “deportation”) as well.

I would consider Mao and Stalin to be worse than Hitler, simply in terms of destruction and death and communism has proven far more deadly than fascism ever was (over 100MM dead).

Don’t forget about Pol Pot, too.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=KIBU]Well, Hitler is not the only scumbag of history so I see no reason for people just to dwell on the guy.

There were other scumbags like Stalin, Lenin, Mao and a whole lots of WANNABE scumbags in history.

Oh except maybe one thing. The other scumbags didn’t overtly discriminate people based on race to the extreme EXTENT that Hitler did. Maybe that’s the big difference.

Maybe that’s the attraction?[/quote]

KIBU: I don’t know if I’d completely agree with that. Most people don’t realize that Stalin killed far more people in his paranoid repression (The “Great Terror”/”Great Purges” of 1936 – 1939) than Hitler ever did. Those murders may not have been as racially motivated as Hitler’s, but he did target specific ethnic minorities (think his campaigns against the Chechens and the Ingush in 1944, including their forced “deportation”) as well.

I would consider Mao and Stalin to be worse than Hitler, simply in terms of destruction and death and communism has proven far more deadly than fascism ever was (over 100MM dead).

Don’t forget about Pol Pot, too.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=KIBU]Well, Hitler is not the only scumbag of history so I see no reason for people just to dwell on the guy.

There were other scumbags like Stalin, Lenin, Mao and a whole lots of WANNABE scumbags in history.

Oh except maybe one thing. The other scumbags didn’t overtly discriminate people based on race to the extreme EXTENT that Hitler did. Maybe that’s the big difference.

Maybe that’s the attraction?[/quote]

KIBU: I don’t know if I’d completely agree with that. Most people don’t realize that Stalin killed far more people in his paranoid repression (The “Great Terror”/”Great Purges” of 1936 – 1939) than Hitler ever did. Those murders may not have been as racially motivated as Hitler’s, but he did target specific ethnic minorities (think his campaigns against the Chechens and the Ingush in 1944, including their forced “deportation”) as well.

I would consider Mao and Stalin to be worse than Hitler, simply in terms of destruction and death and communism has proven far more deadly than fascism ever was (over 100MM dead).

Don’t forget about Pol Pot, too.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=KIBU]Well, Hitler is not the only scumbag of history so I see no reason for people just to dwell on the guy.

There were other scumbags like Stalin, Lenin, Mao and a whole lots of WANNABE scumbags in history.

Oh except maybe one thing. The other scumbags didn’t overtly discriminate people based on race to the extreme EXTENT that Hitler did. Maybe that’s the big difference.

Maybe that’s the attraction?[/quote]

KIBU: I don’t know if I’d completely agree with that. Most people don’t realize that Stalin killed far more people in his paranoid repression (The “Great Terror”/”Great Purges” of 1936 – 1939) than Hitler ever did. Those murders may not have been as racially motivated as Hitler’s, but he did target specific ethnic minorities (think his campaigns against the Chechens and the Ingush in 1944, including their forced “deportation”) as well.

I would consider Mao and Stalin to be worse than Hitler, simply in terms of destruction and death and communism has proven far more deadly than fascism ever was (over 100MM dead).

Don’t forget about Pol Pot, too.

[urbanrealtor]

Barf.

I think trying to boil down homicidal megalomania into a question of materialist dialectics is a stupid endeavor.

Killing lots of people has a lot more to it than economic policy.

If it were all about government supervision of property and the means of production then I think we would have seen a Swedish or Indian Pol Pot.

I really think its more about naive allocation of power sharing systems.

And thats not the malt liquor talking.

[urbanrealtor]

Barf.

I think trying to boil down homicidal megalomania into a question of materialist dialectics is a stupid endeavor.

Killing lots of people has a lot more to it than economic policy.

If it were all about government supervision of property and the means of production then I think we would have seen a Swedish or Indian Pol Pot.

I really think its more about naive allocation of power sharing systems.

And thats not the malt liquor talking.

[urbanrealtor]

Barf.

I think trying to boil down homicidal megalomania into a question of materialist dialectics is a stupid endeavor.

Killing lots of people has a lot more to it than economic policy.

If it were all about government supervision of property and the means of production then I think we would have seen a Swedish or Indian Pol Pot.

I really think its more about naive allocation of power sharing systems.

And thats not the malt liquor talking.

[urbanrealtor]

Barf.

I think trying to boil down homicidal megalomania into a question of materialist dialectics is a stupid endeavor.

Killing lots of people has a lot more to it than economic policy.

If it were all about government supervision of property and the means of production then I think we would have seen a Swedish or Indian Pol Pot.

I really think its more about naive allocation of power sharing systems.

And thats not the malt liquor talking.

[urbanrealtor]

Barf.

I think trying to boil down homicidal megalomania into a question of materialist dialectics is a stupid endeavor.

Killing lots of people has a lot more to it than economic policy.

If it were all about government supervision of property and the means of production then I think we would have seen a Swedish or Indian Pol Pot.

I really think its more about naive allocation of power sharing systems.

And thats not the malt liquor talking.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Barf.

I think trying to boil down homicidal megalomania into a question of materialist dialectics is a stupid endeavor.

Killing lots of people has a lot more to it than economic policy.

If it were all about government supervision of property and the means of production then I think we would have seen a Swedish or Indian Pol Pot.

I really think its more about naive allocation of power sharing systems.

And thats not the malt liquor talking.[/quote]

Dan: Uh, what materialist dialectic are you talking about? As far as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, et al go, it’s always been about one thing and one thing only: Power.

Hell, you think Stalin gave a shit about Marx? No, when I say “communism”, I’m not talking about an ideology, Dan. That’s a convenient foil for those that like to get caught up in the salesmanship of Lenin, or Gramsci or Chavez. Communism, like fascism, or totalitarianism or Catholicism or militant Islam, is nothing more than window dressing for the accretion of power. That’s pretty much all history is anyway, one group of SOBs killing or robbing from another group of those weaker until they’ve either consumed or subsumed or been taken out by yet another stronger group of SOBs.

Start with Herodotus and Thucydides and work your way down through history. Same freakin’ story, different cast of characters.

Barf? That probably is the malt liquor talking.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Barf.

I think trying to boil down homicidal megalomania into a question of materialist dialectics is a stupid endeavor.

Killing lots of people has a lot more to it than economic policy.

If it were all about government supervision of property and the means of production then I think we would have seen a Swedish or Indian Pol Pot.

I really think its more about naive allocation of power sharing systems.

And thats not the malt liquor talking.[/quote]

Dan: Uh, what materialist dialectic are you talking about? As far as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, et al go, it’s always been about one thing and one thing only: Power.

Hell, you think Stalin gave a shit about Marx? No, when I say “communism”, I’m not talking about an ideology, Dan. That’s a convenient foil for those that like to get caught up in the salesmanship of Lenin, or Gramsci or Chavez. Communism, like fascism, or totalitarianism or Catholicism or militant Islam, is nothing more than window dressing for the accretion of power. That’s pretty much all history is anyway, one group of SOBs killing or robbing from another group of those weaker until they’ve either consumed or subsumed or been taken out by yet another stronger group of SOBs.

Start with Herodotus and Thucydides and work your way down through history. Same freakin’ story, different cast of characters.

Barf? That probably is the malt liquor talking.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Barf.

I think trying to boil down homicidal megalomania into a question of materialist dialectics is a stupid endeavor.

Killing lots of people has a lot more to it than economic policy.

If it were all about government supervision of property and the means of production then I think we would have seen a Swedish or Indian Pol Pot.

I really think its more about naive allocation of power sharing systems.

And thats not the malt liquor talking.[/quote]

Dan: Uh, what materialist dialectic are you talking about? As far as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, et al go, it’s always been about one thing and one thing only: Power.

Hell, you think Stalin gave a shit about Marx? No, when I say “communism”, I’m not talking about an ideology, Dan. That’s a convenient foil for those that like to get caught up in the salesmanship of Lenin, or Gramsci or Chavez. Communism, like fascism, or totalitarianism or Catholicism or militant Islam, is nothing more than window dressing for the accretion of power. That’s pretty much all history is anyway, one group of SOBs killing or robbing from another group of those weaker until they’ve either consumed or subsumed or been taken out by yet another stronger group of SOBs.

Start with Herodotus and Thucydides and work your way down through history. Same freakin’ story, different cast of characters.

Barf? That probably is the malt liquor talking.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Barf.

I think trying to boil down homicidal megalomania into a question of materialist dialectics is a stupid endeavor.

Killing lots of people has a lot more to it than economic policy.

If it were all about government supervision of property and the means of production then I think we would have seen a Swedish or Indian Pol Pot.

I really think its more about naive allocation of power sharing systems.

And thats not the malt liquor talking.[/quote]

Dan: Uh, what materialist dialectic are you talking about? As far as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, et al go, it’s always been about one thing and one thing only: Power.

Hell, you think Stalin gave a shit about Marx? No, when I say “communism”, I’m not talking about an ideology, Dan. That’s a convenient foil for those that like to get caught up in the salesmanship of Lenin, or Gramsci or Chavez. Communism, like fascism, or totalitarianism or Catholicism or militant Islam, is nothing more than window dressing for the accretion of power. That’s pretty much all history is anyway, one group of SOBs killing or robbing from another group of those weaker until they’ve either consumed or subsumed or been taken out by yet another stronger group of SOBs.

Start with Herodotus and Thucydides and work your way down through history. Same freakin’ story, different cast of characters.

Barf? That probably is the malt liquor talking.

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