Backdoor to socialized medicine?

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For christ sake. I don’t need a history on Taiwan. Hell, I could probably get citizenship there and free healthcare if I needed. Again, I’ll say this again… If Taiwan’s government needs to spend $100billion on helping the poor…It’s not exactly taking $100billion from the working folks you know..It does this from it’s own pockets.. Hell, part of that $100billion would probably be from bribes. Just ask Ex-President Chen Shui-bian. He probably needs some penpals to pass time in jail until he dies there. Hell, you could have been a General in the Taiwanese military for the right amount paid to his wife.

BTW: once again, you only look at one side of the story here (again). Taiwan in particular…Do you really think things are as “fair” as you think they are? Single aristocratic families controlling 1/4 of Taiwan’s GDP alone like the Koo family? Do you think that is better than what we have here if you happen to just be some worker bee? I think several times, folks view on foreigners from these countries are warped. The (false) impression is everyone is wealthy there, because folks only see the ones with the financial means to be in the united states.
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I won’t agree to these statement about Taiwan. You probably need to discredit your opponent’s best evidence, but try not to discredit your parent’s country if you can, please.

1/4 GDP controlled by single aristocratic families ? (that maybe true 60 years ago, but not today). Income inequality there is still much better than US, by the way.

And I am not sure where you get “$100B from bride, to cover health care cost” coming from. Taiwan government is not as corrupted as you thought.

And the cost is actually shouldered by salaried people. Many high income people actually pay less than salaried people, as they are categorized in Cat 6 (Other/inconsistent income).
The upcoming bill will fix the problem to lower salaried people’s burden, and the new bill is expected to be passed before 2012.

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To the fairness of Taiwan’s insurance, they don’t have the better insurance plan because of government, but because they have the most crowded hospital you can imagine. They run the (major/big) hospitals like an assembly line, and you would consider yourself lucky if you can get 15 minutes of time from your doctor during your visit (for small/routine stuff, of course).

When you get the hospital (schedule your visit online first), you take a number and wait, while hospital employees riding electrical scooters carrying your medical records to your doctors office (if they still have not crystallize yours yet) from different the centralized record office in the hospital.

Same when you are ready to pay or pick up your medicine.

I know most of people here couldn’t stand that kind of cold environment, but that is the price to pay when you pay only $200 a month for a family of 4 on insurance. And, I would say it work very well for 99% of people/disease.

And, yes, doctors are complaining about their incoming being halved since the health care plan.

Fortunately, getting a M.D license in Taiwan don’t mean you have to carry $$$$$$$ student loan like in US. The cost of medical school is relatively cheap compared to US, because of government subsidies.

[pepsi]

To the fairness of Taiwan’s insurance, they don’t have the better insurance plan because of government, but because they have the most crowded hospital you can imagine. They run the (major/big) hospitals like an assembly line, and you would consider yourself lucky if you can get 15 minutes of time from your doctor during your visit (for small/routine stuff, of course).

When you get the hospital (schedule your visit online first), you take a number and wait, while hospital employees riding electrical scooters carrying your medical records to your doctors office (if they still have not crystallize yours yet) from different the centralized record office in the hospital.

Same when you are ready to pay or pick up your medicine.

I know most of people here couldn’t stand that kind of cold environment, but that is the price to pay when you pay only $200 a month for a family of 4 on insurance. And, I would say it work very well for 99% of people/disease.

And, yes, doctors are complaining about their incoming being halved since the health care plan.

Fortunately, getting a M.D license in Taiwan don’t mean you have to carry $$$$$$$ student loan like in US. The cost of medical school is relatively cheap compared to US, because of government subsidies.

[pepsi]

To the fairness of Taiwan’s insurance, they don’t have the better insurance plan because of government, but because they have the most crowded hospital you can imagine. They run the (major/big) hospitals like an assembly line, and you would consider yourself lucky if you can get 15 minutes of time from your doctor during your visit (for small/routine stuff, of course).

When you get the hospital (schedule your visit online first), you take a number and wait, while hospital employees riding electrical scooters carrying your medical records to your doctors office (if they still have not crystallize yours yet) from different the centralized record office in the hospital.

Same when you are ready to pay or pick up your medicine.

I know most of people here couldn’t stand that kind of cold environment, but that is the price to pay when you pay only $200 a month for a family of 4 on insurance. And, I would say it work very well for 99% of people/disease.

And, yes, doctors are complaining about their incoming being halved since the health care plan.

Fortunately, getting a M.D license in Taiwan don’t mean you have to carry $$$$$$$ student loan like in US. The cost of medical school is relatively cheap compared to US, because of government subsidies.

[pepsi]

To the fairness of Taiwan’s insurance, they don’t have the better insurance plan because of government, but because they have the most crowded hospital you can imagine. They run the (major/big) hospitals like an assembly line, and you would consider yourself lucky if you can get 15 minutes of time from your doctor during your visit (for small/routine stuff, of course).

When you get the hospital (schedule your visit online first), you take a number and wait, while hospital employees riding electrical scooters carrying your medical records to your doctors office (if they still have not crystallize yours yet) from different the centralized record office in the hospital.

Same when you are ready to pay or pick up your medicine.

I know most of people here couldn’t stand that kind of cold environment, but that is the price to pay when you pay only $200 a month for a family of 4 on insurance. And, I would say it work very well for 99% of people/disease.

And, yes, doctors are complaining about their incoming being halved since the health care plan.

Fortunately, getting a M.D license in Taiwan don’t mean you have to carry $$$$$$$ student loan like in US. The cost of medical school is relatively cheap compared to US, because of government subsidies.

[pepsi]

To the fairness of Taiwan’s insurance, they don’t have the better insurance plan because of government, but because they have the most crowded hospital you can imagine. They run the (major/big) hospitals like an assembly line, and you would consider yourself lucky if you can get 15 minutes of time from your doctor during your visit (for small/routine stuff, of course).

When you get the hospital (schedule your visit online first), you take a number and wait, while hospital employees riding electrical scooters carrying your medical records to your doctors office (if they still have not crystallize yours yet) from different the centralized record office in the hospital.

Same when you are ready to pay or pick up your medicine.

I know most of people here couldn’t stand that kind of cold environment, but that is the price to pay when you pay only $200 a month for a family of 4 on insurance. And, I would say it work very well for 99% of people/disease.

And, yes, doctors are complaining about their incoming being halved since the health care plan.

Fortunately, getting a M.D license in Taiwan don’t mean you have to carry $$$$$$$ student loan like in US. The cost of medical school is relatively cheap compared to US, because of government subsidies.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: The problem here is you want to eat your cake and have it, too….
but we’re pushing these programs when we have no real means to fund them and are getting way too close to the edge of the cliff for my liking, which was my point about many of the Tea Partyers having a valid point.

We need to get back on track with education, and infrastructure and REAL renewable energy programs. We need to cut defense, entitlements and the bailouts.[/quote]
What do you expect from someone whose middle name is Sybil?

Allan: I’m glad I’m immune from the stigma that could result from imbimbing on dour prophecies. You too can have a sunny disposition if you join my new club – the Long-Island Iced-Tea Party. Don’t worry, be happy mon.

[equalizer]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: The problem here is you want to eat your cake and have it, too….
but we’re pushing these programs when we have no real means to fund them and are getting way too close to the edge of the cliff for my liking, which was my point about many of the Tea Partyers having a valid point.

We need to get back on track with education, and infrastructure and REAL renewable energy programs. We need to cut defense, entitlements and the bailouts.[/quote]
What do you expect from someone whose middle name is Sybil?

Allan: I’m glad I’m immune from the stigma that could result from imbimbing on dour prophecies. You too can have a sunny disposition if you join my new club – the Long-Island Iced-Tea Party. Don’t worry, be happy mon.

[equalizer]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: The problem here is you want to eat your cake and have it, too….
but we’re pushing these programs when we have no real means to fund them and are getting way too close to the edge of the cliff for my liking, which was my point about many of the Tea Partyers having a valid point.

We need to get back on track with education, and infrastructure and REAL renewable energy programs. We need to cut defense, entitlements and the bailouts.[/quote]
What do you expect from someone whose middle name is Sybil?

Allan: I’m glad I’m immune from the stigma that could result from imbimbing on dour prophecies. You too can have a sunny disposition if you join my new club – the Long-Island Iced-Tea Party. Don’t worry, be happy mon.

[equalizer]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: The problem here is you want to eat your cake and have it, too….
but we’re pushing these programs when we have no real means to fund them and are getting way too close to the edge of the cliff for my liking, which was my point about many of the Tea Partyers having a valid point.

We need to get back on track with education, and infrastructure and REAL renewable energy programs. We need to cut defense, entitlements and the bailouts.[/quote]
What do you expect from someone whose middle name is Sybil?

Allan: I’m glad I’m immune from the stigma that could result from imbimbing on dour prophecies. You too can have a sunny disposition if you join my new club – the Long-Island Iced-Tea Party. Don’t worry, be happy mon.

[equalizer]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: The problem here is you want to eat your cake and have it, too….
but we’re pushing these programs when we have no real means to fund them and are getting way too close to the edge of the cliff for my liking, which was my point about many of the Tea Partyers having a valid point.

We need to get back on track with education, and infrastructure and REAL renewable energy programs. We need to cut defense, entitlements and the bailouts.[/quote]
What do you expect from someone whose middle name is Sybil?

Allan: I’m glad I’m immune from the stigma that could result from imbimbing on dour prophecies. You too can have a sunny disposition if you join my new club – the Long-Island Iced-Tea Party. Don’t worry, be happy mon.

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