Average SD family 2000 vs 2010

[sdrealtor]

I dont think An pulled those facts out of his ass. They are right there on http://www.sandag.org website. Who you chose to beleive depends upon where you sit. The sandag numbers show income in 2009 adju to 1999 dollars is up around 10% the places I checked (region, carlsbad & encinitas). I wouldnt be so quick to discredit those numbers just because they didnt fit my picture of the world nor would I accept them at face value because they do.

Beleive half of what you see and none of what of you read.

[permabear]

[quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? 🙂

[permabear]

[quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? 🙂

[permabear]

[quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? 🙂

[permabear]

[quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? 🙂

[permabear]

[quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? 🙂

[protorio]

[quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.

[protorio]

[quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.

[protorio]

[quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.

[protorio]

[quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.

[protorio]

[quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

While there is some truth to this I dont completely agree. Whats wrong with Clairemont or Mira Mesa? They have a great location, decent size lots many of which are on canyons, affordable home prices. In NC there is Oceanside, Vista, SM and ESC which have very nice parts. There are choices. I think its people’s tastes and expectations that have changed. Many people have risen up from humble upbringings and succeeded by investing in their educations. While they may decry having to live with the Skip and Buffy’s of the world, that segment has always been there too and in the same places. Why would people expect them to leave the nicer places?

I’m more inclined to side with protorio’s “luxury for all” hypothesis.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

While there is some truth to this I dont completely agree. Whats wrong with Clairemont or Mira Mesa? They have a great location, decent size lots many of which are on canyons, affordable home prices. In NC there is Oceanside, Vista, SM and ESC which have very nice parts. There are choices. I think its people’s tastes and expectations that have changed. Many people have risen up from humble upbringings and succeeded by investing in their educations. While they may decry having to live with the Skip and Buffy’s of the world, that segment has always been there too and in the same places. Why would people expect them to leave the nicer places?

I’m more inclined to side with protorio’s “luxury for all” hypothesis.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

While there is some truth to this I dont completely agree. Whats wrong with Clairemont or Mira Mesa? They have a great location, decent size lots many of which are on canyons, affordable home prices. In NC there is Oceanside, Vista, SM and ESC which have very nice parts. There are choices. I think its people’s tastes and expectations that have changed. Many people have risen up from humble upbringings and succeeded by investing in their educations. While they may decry having to live with the Skip and Buffy’s of the world, that segment has always been there too and in the same places. Why would people expect them to leave the nicer places?

I’m more inclined to side with protorio’s “luxury for all” hypothesis.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

While there is some truth to this I dont completely agree. Whats wrong with Clairemont or Mira Mesa? They have a great location, decent size lots many of which are on canyons, affordable home prices. In NC there is Oceanside, Vista, SM and ESC which have very nice parts. There are choices. I think its people’s tastes and expectations that have changed. Many people have risen up from humble upbringings and succeeded by investing in their educations. While they may decry having to live with the Skip and Buffy’s of the world, that segment has always been there too and in the same places. Why would people expect them to leave the nicer places?

I’m more inclined to side with protorio’s “luxury for all” hypothesis.

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