Another Civics Lesson

[CA renter]

If Mexico were educating all its children to high levels in science and law etc, and when they came here they were unable to break out of a life of grinding poverty, then I’d say that we had a real problem of fairness.
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If Mexico, China, and India all make their children focus on science and law, what will happen to wages in those industries?

It’s short-sighted to think everyone should only major/focus in these areas.

IMHO, America has succeeded largely because of our diversity, resilience, and flexibility. Too many people, globally-speaking, are getting into these majors, and many of those people come from poorer countries.

We need to acknowledge the importance of all workers, not just those in a few fields. We have many top scientists and engineers who were slammed by the aerospace shut-down in the 80s. Many PhDs in science are making less than salespeople and “deal makers” (salespeople, managers, and people in the financial industry, among others). We should not shoe-horn everyone into the same occupations. That is economic suicide, IMHO.

O/T, but just wanted to point that out. 🙂

[bobby]

thanks xboxboy.

of course one’s background has a great effect on one’s success but there are many other factors.
the way this professor set up the class, some people will fail no matter how hard he tries – this does not reflect real life.

In the US of A, if one tries hard enough one will succeed. The problem is that some never tries and some didn’t try hard enough.
I know this b/c I am an immigrant to this country. There are no other country in the world where one is given a chance to succeed no matter what a person’s background is.

lastly, life is unfair. Some are born into weath. But this shouldn’t deter a person from trying his best if he is from a less advantaged background/upbringing.

[bobby]

thanks xboxboy.

of course one’s background has a great effect on one’s success but there are many other factors.
the way this professor set up the class, some people will fail no matter how hard he tries – this does not reflect real life.

In the US of A, if one tries hard enough one will succeed. The problem is that some never tries and some didn’t try hard enough.
I know this b/c I am an immigrant to this country. There are no other country in the world where one is given a chance to succeed no matter what a person’s background is.

lastly, life is unfair. Some are born into weath. But this shouldn’t deter a person from trying his best if he is from a less advantaged background/upbringing.

[bobby]

thanks xboxboy.

of course one’s background has a great effect on one’s success but there are many other factors.
the way this professor set up the class, some people will fail no matter how hard he tries – this does not reflect real life.

In the US of A, if one tries hard enough one will succeed. The problem is that some never tries and some didn’t try hard enough.
I know this b/c I am an immigrant to this country. There are no other country in the world where one is given a chance to succeed no matter what a person’s background is.

lastly, life is unfair. Some are born into weath. But this shouldn’t deter a person from trying his best if he is from a less advantaged background/upbringing.

[bobby]

thanks xboxboy.

of course one’s background has a great effect on one’s success but there are many other factors.
the way this professor set up the class, some people will fail no matter how hard he tries – this does not reflect real life.

In the US of A, if one tries hard enough one will succeed. The problem is that some never tries and some didn’t try hard enough.
I know this b/c I am an immigrant to this country. There are no other country in the world where one is given a chance to succeed no matter what a person’s background is.

lastly, life is unfair. Some are born into weath. But this shouldn’t deter a person from trying his best if he is from a less advantaged background/upbringing.

[bobby]

thanks xboxboy.

of course one’s background has a great effect on one’s success but there are many other factors.
the way this professor set up the class, some people will fail no matter how hard he tries – this does not reflect real life.

In the US of A, if one tries hard enough one will succeed. The problem is that some never tries and some didn’t try hard enough.
I know this b/c I am an immigrant to this country. There are no other country in the world where one is given a chance to succeed no matter what a person’s background is.

lastly, life is unfair. Some are born into weath. But this shouldn’t deter a person from trying his best if he is from a less advantaged background/upbringing.

[patientrenter]

I agree that we shouldn’t be herding people into specific occupations, CAR.

My point was that saying this country is unfair because most hard-working, smart illegal immigrants who have poor educations earn less than comparable natives with better educations doesn’t sound like a strong argument.

[patientrenter]

I agree that we shouldn’t be herding people into specific occupations, CAR.

My point was that saying this country is unfair because most hard-working, smart illegal immigrants who have poor educations earn less than comparable natives with better educations doesn’t sound like a strong argument.

[patientrenter]

I agree that we shouldn’t be herding people into specific occupations, CAR.

My point was that saying this country is unfair because most hard-working, smart illegal immigrants who have poor educations earn less than comparable natives with better educations doesn’t sound like a strong argument.

[patientrenter]

I agree that we shouldn’t be herding people into specific occupations, CAR.

My point was that saying this country is unfair because most hard-working, smart illegal immigrants who have poor educations earn less than comparable natives with better educations doesn’t sound like a strong argument.

[patientrenter]

I agree that we shouldn’t be herding people into specific occupations, CAR.

My point was that saying this country is unfair because most hard-working, smart illegal immigrants who have poor educations earn less than comparable natives with better educations doesn’t sound like a strong argument.

[bobby]

[quote=SDEngineer][quote=jpinpb]I understand the two different scenarios. However, look at Obama. Single mom. There are many people that struggle but still have choices. [/quote]

And there always will be those success stories.

However, in the U.S. (one of the most capitalistic of the industrialized nations), vertical class mobility is far lower than in most of western Europe (where most of the nations have a more socialistic capitalist system). In other words, which economic class you are born into in the U.S. is more likely to determine where you will economically end up than in other industrialized nations.

Opportunity is there, but it’s harder to take advantage of in our system compared to many others.[/quote]

sources?
as far as I know, most successful people in US made it there on their own.
In addition to Obama, there are Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter Bill Gates, Warren Buffett,Jerry Yang, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniac, Troy Aikman,Carlos Mencia, A-Rod,Jennifer Lopez, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Kelly Clarkson, Magic Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Brad Pitt, Jody Foster, Jim Carrey. The list goes on and on.
the only exception are George Bush and the Kennedy’s.
I can give 10 “self-made” names for every “legacy” name you give.
the professor is an idiot. case closed.

[bobby]

[quote=SDEngineer][quote=jpinpb]I understand the two different scenarios. However, look at Obama. Single mom. There are many people that struggle but still have choices. [/quote]

And there always will be those success stories.

However, in the U.S. (one of the most capitalistic of the industrialized nations), vertical class mobility is far lower than in most of western Europe (where most of the nations have a more socialistic capitalist system). In other words, which economic class you are born into in the U.S. is more likely to determine where you will economically end up than in other industrialized nations.

Opportunity is there, but it’s harder to take advantage of in our system compared to many others.[/quote]

sources?
as far as I know, most successful people in US made it there on their own.
In addition to Obama, there are Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter Bill Gates, Warren Buffett,Jerry Yang, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniac, Troy Aikman,Carlos Mencia, A-Rod,Jennifer Lopez, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Kelly Clarkson, Magic Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Brad Pitt, Jody Foster, Jim Carrey. The list goes on and on.
the only exception are George Bush and the Kennedy’s.
I can give 10 “self-made” names for every “legacy” name you give.
the professor is an idiot. case closed.

[bobby]

[quote=SDEngineer][quote=jpinpb]I understand the two different scenarios. However, look at Obama. Single mom. There are many people that struggle but still have choices. [/quote]

And there always will be those success stories.

However, in the U.S. (one of the most capitalistic of the industrialized nations), vertical class mobility is far lower than in most of western Europe (where most of the nations have a more socialistic capitalist system). In other words, which economic class you are born into in the U.S. is more likely to determine where you will economically end up than in other industrialized nations.

Opportunity is there, but it’s harder to take advantage of in our system compared to many others.[/quote]

sources?
as far as I know, most successful people in US made it there on their own.
In addition to Obama, there are Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter Bill Gates, Warren Buffett,Jerry Yang, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniac, Troy Aikman,Carlos Mencia, A-Rod,Jennifer Lopez, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Kelly Clarkson, Magic Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Brad Pitt, Jody Foster, Jim Carrey. The list goes on and on.
the only exception are George Bush and the Kennedy’s.
I can give 10 “self-made” names for every “legacy” name you give.
the professor is an idiot. case closed.

[bobby]

[quote=SDEngineer][quote=jpinpb]I understand the two different scenarios. However, look at Obama. Single mom. There are many people that struggle but still have choices. [/quote]

And there always will be those success stories.

However, in the U.S. (one of the most capitalistic of the industrialized nations), vertical class mobility is far lower than in most of western Europe (where most of the nations have a more socialistic capitalist system). In other words, which economic class you are born into in the U.S. is more likely to determine where you will economically end up than in other industrialized nations.

Opportunity is there, but it’s harder to take advantage of in our system compared to many others.[/quote]

sources?
as far as I know, most successful people in US made it there on their own.
In addition to Obama, there are Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter Bill Gates, Warren Buffett,Jerry Yang, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniac, Troy Aikman,Carlos Mencia, A-Rod,Jennifer Lopez, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Kelly Clarkson, Magic Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Brad Pitt, Jody Foster, Jim Carrey. The list goes on and on.
the only exception are George Bush and the Kennedy’s.
I can give 10 “self-made” names for every “legacy” name you give.
the professor is an idiot. case closed.

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