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March 21, 2008 at 12:12 PM #174750March 21, 2008 at 5:00 PM #174446crParticipant
Given the tendency to a lax nature for Alt-A loans I gather the fraud to be in the income claiming area.
This article and others that find “prime” mortgage holders walking from them before the rates even reset seem to indicate that a lot more people bought homes hoping to make a quick $100 Grand 3 years later when their loans reset and their house doubled in value again.
Thus a speculative bubble.
It will likely all come back to the false income claimed, but I’m interested to see if a judge finds that the borrower signed with the flase amount, or if the broker is found to have changed to amount to get the loan through.
I tend to believe the former.
March 21, 2008 at 5:00 PM #174794crParticipantGiven the tendency to a lax nature for Alt-A loans I gather the fraud to be in the income claiming area.
This article and others that find “prime” mortgage holders walking from them before the rates even reset seem to indicate that a lot more people bought homes hoping to make a quick $100 Grand 3 years later when their loans reset and their house doubled in value again.
Thus a speculative bubble.
It will likely all come back to the false income claimed, but I’m interested to see if a judge finds that the borrower signed with the flase amount, or if the broker is found to have changed to amount to get the loan through.
I tend to believe the former.
March 21, 2008 at 5:00 PM #174799crParticipantGiven the tendency to a lax nature for Alt-A loans I gather the fraud to be in the income claiming area.
This article and others that find “prime” mortgage holders walking from them before the rates even reset seem to indicate that a lot more people bought homes hoping to make a quick $100 Grand 3 years later when their loans reset and their house doubled in value again.
Thus a speculative bubble.
It will likely all come back to the false income claimed, but I’m interested to see if a judge finds that the borrower signed with the flase amount, or if the broker is found to have changed to amount to get the loan through.
I tend to believe the former.
March 21, 2008 at 5:00 PM #174894crParticipantGiven the tendency to a lax nature for Alt-A loans I gather the fraud to be in the income claiming area.
This article and others that find “prime” mortgage holders walking from them before the rates even reset seem to indicate that a lot more people bought homes hoping to make a quick $100 Grand 3 years later when their loans reset and their house doubled in value again.
Thus a speculative bubble.
It will likely all come back to the false income claimed, but I’m interested to see if a judge finds that the borrower signed with the flase amount, or if the broker is found to have changed to amount to get the loan through.
I tend to believe the former.
March 21, 2008 at 5:00 PM #174806crParticipantGiven the tendency to a lax nature for Alt-A loans I gather the fraud to be in the income claiming area.
This article and others that find “prime” mortgage holders walking from them before the rates even reset seem to indicate that a lot more people bought homes hoping to make a quick $100 Grand 3 years later when their loans reset and their house doubled in value again.
Thus a speculative bubble.
It will likely all come back to the false income claimed, but I’m interested to see if a judge finds that the borrower signed with the flase amount, or if the broker is found to have changed to amount to get the loan through.
I tend to believe the former.
March 21, 2008 at 5:18 PM #174902pencilneckParticipantI had a cocktail conversation a few years ago with a lady who worked for Accredited Lending (LEND), and her job was to provide documents that justified the lies made by the real estate agents and borrowers long enough they could repackage the loans and sell them to Countrywide so that Countrywide could repackage them and sold them to Fannie Mae.
She said that both buyers and agents would sign and do anything to get the home sale done (buyers are stupid and agents need their commission) and she said that making the loans look presentable was a challenge. She mentioned a procedure that was called “Cut and Paste” but didn’t go into much detail. I mentioned that her job sounded a lot like loan fraud and the conversation sort of ended.
My own personal belief, based on very little evidence, is that fraud was very widespread and at every level of the foodchain.
March 21, 2008 at 5:18 PM #174817pencilneckParticipantI had a cocktail conversation a few years ago with a lady who worked for Accredited Lending (LEND), and her job was to provide documents that justified the lies made by the real estate agents and borrowers long enough they could repackage the loans and sell them to Countrywide so that Countrywide could repackage them and sold them to Fannie Mae.
She said that both buyers and agents would sign and do anything to get the home sale done (buyers are stupid and agents need their commission) and she said that making the loans look presentable was a challenge. She mentioned a procedure that was called “Cut and Paste” but didn’t go into much detail. I mentioned that her job sounded a lot like loan fraud and the conversation sort of ended.
My own personal belief, based on very little evidence, is that fraud was very widespread and at every level of the foodchain.
March 21, 2008 at 5:18 PM #174808pencilneckParticipantI had a cocktail conversation a few years ago with a lady who worked for Accredited Lending (LEND), and her job was to provide documents that justified the lies made by the real estate agents and borrowers long enough they could repackage the loans and sell them to Countrywide so that Countrywide could repackage them and sold them to Fannie Mae.
She said that both buyers and agents would sign and do anything to get the home sale done (buyers are stupid and agents need their commission) and she said that making the loans look presentable was a challenge. She mentioned a procedure that was called “Cut and Paste” but didn’t go into much detail. I mentioned that her job sounded a lot like loan fraud and the conversation sort of ended.
My own personal belief, based on very little evidence, is that fraud was very widespread and at every level of the foodchain.
March 21, 2008 at 5:18 PM #174804pencilneckParticipantI had a cocktail conversation a few years ago with a lady who worked for Accredited Lending (LEND), and her job was to provide documents that justified the lies made by the real estate agents and borrowers long enough they could repackage the loans and sell them to Countrywide so that Countrywide could repackage them and sold them to Fannie Mae.
She said that both buyers and agents would sign and do anything to get the home sale done (buyers are stupid and agents need their commission) and she said that making the loans look presentable was a challenge. She mentioned a procedure that was called “Cut and Paste” but didn’t go into much detail. I mentioned that her job sounded a lot like loan fraud and the conversation sort of ended.
My own personal belief, based on very little evidence, is that fraud was very widespread and at every level of the foodchain.
March 21, 2008 at 5:18 PM #174456pencilneckParticipantI had a cocktail conversation a few years ago with a lady who worked for Accredited Lending (LEND), and her job was to provide documents that justified the lies made by the real estate agents and borrowers long enough they could repackage the loans and sell them to Countrywide so that Countrywide could repackage them and sold them to Fannie Mae.
She said that both buyers and agents would sign and do anything to get the home sale done (buyers are stupid and agents need their commission) and she said that making the loans look presentable was a challenge. She mentioned a procedure that was called “Cut and Paste” but didn’t go into much detail. I mentioned that her job sounded a lot like loan fraud and the conversation sort of ended.
My own personal belief, based on very little evidence, is that fraud was very widespread and at every level of the foodchain.
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