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March 1, 2007 at 3:26 PM #46667March 1, 2007 at 3:32 PM #46669(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant
The biggest ‘smoking gun’ in my mind is this: prior to 9/11 no metal-framed building had ever collapsed due to fire – there had even been several high-rise buildings that burned vigorously for hours without collapsing – and when the first metal-framed building in the history of the world collapses due to fire what happens?
The biggest smoking gun you can point to is that “no metal-framed building had ever collapsed due to fire” ?
OK answer this one:
Exactly how many metal-frame buildings have withstood being hit at 300 mph by jet-fuel-filled jetliners prior to 9/11 ?March 1, 2007 at 3:37 PM #46670no_such_realityParticipantGentlemen,
Kyle, Stan and Kenny identified the true conspiracy in the “Mystery of the Urinal Deuce” documentary.
It is documented on wikipedia.
March 1, 2007 at 4:02 PM #46677blahblahblahParticipantJRex, take it easy on Dougie, he had some good points.
One thing that I’ll add to this is that everyone assumes that if the official story has holes or omissions, the US government is completely to blame for the whole thing. I don’t follow that line of reasoning at all.
The freefall, symmetrical collapse of the towers is suspicious. The freefall, symmetrical collapse of WTC7 is very suspicious. If you follow the most likely scenario, which is that explosives were used in addition to the jets during the attack, there are lots of possibilities:
* Al Qaeda had planted bombs in the buildings to ensure that they were destroyed. There were many government offices in WTC7. They did try to blow these buildings up once before, after all (back in 1993).
* Silverstein or someone working for him had advance knowledge of the attacks and had his own buildings rigged to fall down. The insurance settlement from the attacks was enormous and the old WTC buildings were not as attractive to tenants as new buildings would be.
* A foreign country supplied the equipment and expertise to handle the demolition. Several countries would benefit from the US entering a long-term war against radical groups: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, and Israel to name just a few would all like a little help getting rid of certain radical elements.
* During the investigation, the US may have uncovered embarassing information about corrupt officials in this or other countries and rather than having it come out they just decided to close the whole matter without serious investigation.
My only point is that this was the biggest crime in history, and it needs to be investigated seriously. I just find it amazing that, within hours of the attacks, we knew exactly who did it and why the buildings fell down. There were no serious questions asked, and if anyone asks them, they are branded a nutjob or conspiracy freak.
I now return us to our regularly scheduled ranting and raving!
March 1, 2007 at 4:23 PM #46679gold_dredger_phdParticipantThis whole thread just shows ignorant people jumping to conspiracy theories when they cannot understand some facts or explain things.
Long ago, people had explained lightning by invoking “Lightning gods” and other imaginary entities. It is probable, though I am not an expert in lightning, that even today, we cannot explain all aspects of what creates lightning. There are still gaps in our knowledge. Accept the fact that there will always be gaps in our knowledge and there is no such thing as omniscience. An individual’s knowledge is very limited and so there are many things that they could not explain by themselves. That does not mean that they should jump to conspiracy theories if they cannot explain how +10,000 gallons of burning kerosene could weaken steel trusses supporting a floor and cause the trusses to collapse.
Accept the fact that skyscrapers are not built like bunkers and there is no building code that says that you must be able to burn 10,000 gallons of jet fuel on 3 or fewer floors without the building collapsing.
The jihadis tried to blow up the building from below and get one tower to crash into another back in 1993. If they were successful, I’m sure we would have seen all sorts of conspiracy theories about Clinton and the CIA, etc.
One of the proponents of a 9/11 conspiracy theory is a 47 year-old graduate student with too much time on his hands.
March 1, 2007 at 4:31 PM #46681sdrebearParticipantJust to get some people back on track. The building in question here is the WTC 7 building which had approximately zero gallons of jet fuel burning in it and relatively light damage compared to the other surrounding buildings.
Ok… continue.
March 2, 2007 at 9:13 AM #46723Dougie944ParticipantI thought that WTC7 was another building…..so my question was how would the “gov’t” have gained from that building falling??? Conspiritists love to talk about the melting points of steel and missing tapes…give me the motive for WTC7.
The 2 large buildings were more than plenty if the government wanted justification for a war.
March 2, 2007 at 9:21 AM #46724AnonymousGuestJets were used during the attack, and yet millions of onlookers somehow missed 1)seeing the jets, 2)hearing the jets on approach, 3)seeing the jets launch their weapons, 4)watching the jets depart, 5)seeing the impact of the munitions, 6)hearing the jets depart. Somehow this all happened in a city of tens of millions of people without a single person capturing it on video, still camera, or even having an eye witness account, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of security cameras and CCTV feeds available.
March 2, 2007 at 9:27 AM #46726PDParticipantThese conspiracy theorists are like a person dipping a cup in the ocean, lifting it up and proclaiming, “Witness this full glass of conspiracy confirmation!” Meanwhile, they ignore the ocean of contradictory data at their feet.
March 2, 2007 at 9:43 AM #46727AnonymousGuestExactly, and for any event of this magnitude and destruction there will always be unexplained details and loose ends. Even if this were the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind, don’t you think that the government would have taken a simplier approach to create just as much panic? For example, why wouldn’t they have simply arranged to have 2 Middle Eastern men launch a chemical attack against a populated area, causing just as much panic?
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