60 mpg by 2025

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=DWCAP]
If the use of finite resources will leave our children worse off, then we should stop all use of them immediatly. But if we shut down our transportation industries, wont future generations be worse off as our economy implodes?
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Why is stopping all use of finite resources the only option? Why isn’t it an option to regulate usage of fossil fuels through CAFE mpg standards and at the same time incentivizing creation of green technology through government programs?

This will allow the finite fossil fuels to last longer, reduce pollution, and give the government-supported scientists at universities more time to create alternative energy sources. It was government-supported scientists who created Google and other great technologies.

The government has created great things in the past and can again in the future if we let it.

[davelj]

My solution to the world’s pollution and energy problems (for the billionth time): Stop procreating. Stop having kids.

Population shrinks while technology improves and – voila – both pollution and energy use decline.

It’s so simple. But too few are willing to make the sacrifice. (Personally I don’t consider it a sacrifice, but most do, so…)

I’ll let folks legislate what kind of car I can drive as soon as the same folks legislate away all procreation for the next century.

Pollution and energy constraints are a result of increasing population. Legislating increased mpg is only addressing a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Why don’t we address the root of the problem instead? Oh, I forgot… because THAT would be too inconvenient.

[davelj]

My solution to the world’s pollution and energy problems (for the billionth time): Stop procreating. Stop having kids.

Population shrinks while technology improves and – voila – both pollution and energy use decline.

It’s so simple. But too few are willing to make the sacrifice. (Personally I don’t consider it a sacrifice, but most do, so…)

I’ll let folks legislate what kind of car I can drive as soon as the same folks legislate away all procreation for the next century.

Pollution and energy constraints are a result of increasing population. Legislating increased mpg is only addressing a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Why don’t we address the root of the problem instead? Oh, I forgot… because THAT would be too inconvenient.

[davelj]

My solution to the world’s pollution and energy problems (for the billionth time): Stop procreating. Stop having kids.

Population shrinks while technology improves and – voila – both pollution and energy use decline.

It’s so simple. But too few are willing to make the sacrifice. (Personally I don’t consider it a sacrifice, but most do, so…)

I’ll let folks legislate what kind of car I can drive as soon as the same folks legislate away all procreation for the next century.

Pollution and energy constraints are a result of increasing population. Legislating increased mpg is only addressing a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Why don’t we address the root of the problem instead? Oh, I forgot… because THAT would be too inconvenient.

[davelj]

My solution to the world’s pollution and energy problems (for the billionth time): Stop procreating. Stop having kids.

Population shrinks while technology improves and – voila – both pollution and energy use decline.

It’s so simple. But too few are willing to make the sacrifice. (Personally I don’t consider it a sacrifice, but most do, so…)

I’ll let folks legislate what kind of car I can drive as soon as the same folks legislate away all procreation for the next century.

Pollution and energy constraints are a result of increasing population. Legislating increased mpg is only addressing a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Why don’t we address the root of the problem instead? Oh, I forgot… because THAT would be too inconvenient.

[davelj]

My solution to the world’s pollution and energy problems (for the billionth time): Stop procreating. Stop having kids.

Population shrinks while technology improves and – voila – both pollution and energy use decline.

It’s so simple. But too few are willing to make the sacrifice. (Personally I don’t consider it a sacrifice, but most do, so…)

I’ll let folks legislate what kind of car I can drive as soon as the same folks legislate away all procreation for the next century.

Pollution and energy constraints are a result of increasing population. Legislating increased mpg is only addressing a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Why don’t we address the root of the problem instead? Oh, I forgot… because THAT would be too inconvenient.

[Ren]

[quote=flu]
anyway, imho we’re not ready for alternative fuels or energy yet. It’s right now just a fad and experiment that some rich people/geeks ticker with here/and there (tesla buyers, prius buyers,etc) …Until energy prices are really really expensive, there won’t be that much revolutionary breakthrough, because there is little incentive from consumers to do it.[/quote]

We’ve already passed the trigger point, which was $5/gallon gas a few years ago. Hence the billions being spent on alternative energy now – corporations woke up to the fact that this is where the money will be in the future, and they’re preparing for it. Of course we’re just starting, so it will be a decades-long process to perfect the technology and replace millions of vehicles. It will happen whether prices spike or not, but high prices will definitely speed it up.

FWIW, a modern 500hp 911 Turbo has lower emissions than a 60hp, 46mpg 1986 Honda Civic. That’s what I call progress.

[Ren]

[quote=flu]
anyway, imho we’re not ready for alternative fuels or energy yet. It’s right now just a fad and experiment that some rich people/geeks ticker with here/and there (tesla buyers, prius buyers,etc) …Until energy prices are really really expensive, there won’t be that much revolutionary breakthrough, because there is little incentive from consumers to do it.[/quote]

We’ve already passed the trigger point, which was $5/gallon gas a few years ago. Hence the billions being spent on alternative energy now – corporations woke up to the fact that this is where the money will be in the future, and they’re preparing for it. Of course we’re just starting, so it will be a decades-long process to perfect the technology and replace millions of vehicles. It will happen whether prices spike or not, but high prices will definitely speed it up.

FWIW, a modern 500hp 911 Turbo has lower emissions than a 60hp, 46mpg 1986 Honda Civic. That’s what I call progress.

[Ren]

[quote=flu]
anyway, imho we’re not ready for alternative fuels or energy yet. It’s right now just a fad and experiment that some rich people/geeks ticker with here/and there (tesla buyers, prius buyers,etc) …Until energy prices are really really expensive, there won’t be that much revolutionary breakthrough, because there is little incentive from consumers to do it.[/quote]

We’ve already passed the trigger point, which was $5/gallon gas a few years ago. Hence the billions being spent on alternative energy now – corporations woke up to the fact that this is where the money will be in the future, and they’re preparing for it. Of course we’re just starting, so it will be a decades-long process to perfect the technology and replace millions of vehicles. It will happen whether prices spike or not, but high prices will definitely speed it up.

FWIW, a modern 500hp 911 Turbo has lower emissions than a 60hp, 46mpg 1986 Honda Civic. That’s what I call progress.

[Ren]

[quote=flu]
anyway, imho we’re not ready for alternative fuels or energy yet. It’s right now just a fad and experiment that some rich people/geeks ticker with here/and there (tesla buyers, prius buyers,etc) …Until energy prices are really really expensive, there won’t be that much revolutionary breakthrough, because there is little incentive from consumers to do it.[/quote]

We’ve already passed the trigger point, which was $5/gallon gas a few years ago. Hence the billions being spent on alternative energy now – corporations woke up to the fact that this is where the money will be in the future, and they’re preparing for it. Of course we’re just starting, so it will be a decades-long process to perfect the technology and replace millions of vehicles. It will happen whether prices spike or not, but high prices will definitely speed it up.

FWIW, a modern 500hp 911 Turbo has lower emissions than a 60hp, 46mpg 1986 Honda Civic. That’s what I call progress.

[Ren]

[quote=flu]
anyway, imho we’re not ready for alternative fuels or energy yet. It’s right now just a fad and experiment that some rich people/geeks ticker with here/and there (tesla buyers, prius buyers,etc) …Until energy prices are really really expensive, there won’t be that much revolutionary breakthrough, because there is little incentive from consumers to do it.[/quote]

We’ve already passed the trigger point, which was $5/gallon gas a few years ago. Hence the billions being spent on alternative energy now – corporations woke up to the fact that this is where the money will be in the future, and they’re preparing for it. Of course we’re just starting, so it will be a decades-long process to perfect the technology and replace millions of vehicles. It will happen whether prices spike or not, but high prices will definitely speed it up.

FWIW, a modern 500hp 911 Turbo has lower emissions than a 60hp, 46mpg 1986 Honda Civic. That’s what I call progress.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=davelj]My solution to the world’s pollution and energy problems (for the billionth time): Stop procreating. Stop having kids.

Population shrinks while technology improves and – voila – both pollution and energy use decline.

It’s so simple. But too few are willing to make the sacrifice. (Personally I don’t consider it a sacrifice, but most do, so…)

I’ll let folks legislate what kind of car I can drive as soon as the same folks legislate away all procreation for the next century.

Pollution and energy constraints are a result of increasing population. Legislating increased mpg is only addressing a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Why don’t we address the root of the problem instead? Oh, I forgot… because THAT would be too inconvenient.[/quote]

Speaking objectively (with no judgment regarding the merits of the idea): This idea will never get off the ground. People with this inclination will be bred out of existence by natural selection.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=davelj]My solution to the world’s pollution and energy problems (for the billionth time): Stop procreating. Stop having kids.

Population shrinks while technology improves and – voila – both pollution and energy use decline.

It’s so simple. But too few are willing to make the sacrifice. (Personally I don’t consider it a sacrifice, but most do, so…)

I’ll let folks legislate what kind of car I can drive as soon as the same folks legislate away all procreation for the next century.

Pollution and energy constraints are a result of increasing population. Legislating increased mpg is only addressing a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Why don’t we address the root of the problem instead? Oh, I forgot… because THAT would be too inconvenient.[/quote]

Speaking objectively (with no judgment regarding the merits of the idea): This idea will never get off the ground. People with this inclination will be bred out of existence by natural selection.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=davelj]My solution to the world’s pollution and energy problems (for the billionth time): Stop procreating. Stop having kids.

Population shrinks while technology improves and – voila – both pollution and energy use decline.

It’s so simple. But too few are willing to make the sacrifice. (Personally I don’t consider it a sacrifice, but most do, so…)

I’ll let folks legislate what kind of car I can drive as soon as the same folks legislate away all procreation for the next century.

Pollution and energy constraints are a result of increasing population. Legislating increased mpg is only addressing a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Why don’t we address the root of the problem instead? Oh, I forgot… because THAT would be too inconvenient.[/quote]

Speaking objectively (with no judgment regarding the merits of the idea): This idea will never get off the ground. People with this inclination will be bred out of existence by natural selection.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=davelj]My solution to the world’s pollution and energy problems (for the billionth time): Stop procreating. Stop having kids.

Population shrinks while technology improves and – voila – both pollution and energy use decline.

It’s so simple. But too few are willing to make the sacrifice. (Personally I don’t consider it a sacrifice, but most do, so…)

I’ll let folks legislate what kind of car I can drive as soon as the same folks legislate away all procreation for the next century.

Pollution and energy constraints are a result of increasing population. Legislating increased mpg is only addressing a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Why don’t we address the root of the problem instead? Oh, I forgot… because THAT would be too inconvenient.[/quote]

Speaking objectively (with no judgment regarding the merits of the idea): This idea will never get off the ground. People with this inclination will be bred out of existence by natural selection.

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