$500k and 33years old, when is enough enough?

[Eugene]

[quote]Do Piggs understand that the student populations of San Diego, Hoover, Crawford, Kearny, Clairemont, Helix, Sweetwater, Chula Vista, Hilltop and Castle Park High Schools were predominately “white” prior to the mid-seventies?? And that many of those ex-students still live in their “home turf?” Why would they feel uncomfortable in their own “home turf” even if the demographics have changed? What’s to be afraid of??[/quote]

I believe that should be late eighties rather than mid-seventies. First there came a wave of illegal immigration from Mexico in the early eighties, then in 1986 Reagan issued a wholesale amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, which allowed them to settle here for real and start bringing their relatives via legal and illegal means (starting with legal, then, by the mid-90’s, when the demand for family reunification immigrant visas proved to be far greater than annual caps in place for Mexico, clogging the system and resulting in 10+ year long waits in most categories, increasingly switching to illegal).

Escondido High went from 53% white in 1993 (the oldest number I can find) to 27% white in 2009. And yes, you do hear about people feeling uncomfortable in their “home turf” because of the changes in demographics.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Eugene][quote]Do Piggs understand that the student populations of San Diego, Hoover, Crawford, Kearny, Clairemont, Helix, Sweetwater, Chula Vista, Hilltop and Castle Park High Schools were predominately “white” prior to the mid-seventies?? And that many of those ex-students still live in their “home turf?” Why would they feel uncomfortable in their own “home turf” even if the demographics have changed? What’s to be afraid of??[/quote]

I believe that should be late eighties rather than mid-seventies. First there came a wave of illegal immigration from Mexico in the early eighties, then in 1986 Reagan issued a wholesale amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, which allowed them to settle here for real and start bringing their relatives via legal and illegal means (starting with legal, then, by the mid-90’s, when the demand for family reunification immigrant visas proved to be far greater than annual caps in place for Mexico, clogging the system and resulting in 10+ year long waits in most categories, increasingly switching to illegal).

Escondido High went from 53% white in 1993 (the oldest number I can find) to 27% white in 2009. And yes, you do hear about people feeling uncomfortable in their “home turf” because of the changes in demographics.[/quote]

Understand about Escondido, Eugene and remember the waives of immigrants and also the “wholesale” amnesty program. But the schools I have mentioned may have been more “mixed” to begin with than Escondido High, which is about 50 miles from the US/MX border. I do believe it was much earlier, especially in Chula Vista, when “white” was the dominant demographic.

The demographics of Kearny and Hoover High were greatly changed in the 80’s and 90’s due to Federally funded resettlements of Vietnamese and Somali refugees, respectively.

Here in Chula Vista, many, many ex-HS students of nearby schools who graduated more than 40 years ago actually still live here, some in the same house they grew up in and some within blocks of that house. Most of these now “boomers” actively seek out nearby properties to assist their children in buying, the closer the better. Condition and often size are secondary as most of the lots are generous.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Eugene][quote]Do Piggs understand that the student populations of San Diego, Hoover, Crawford, Kearny, Clairemont, Helix, Sweetwater, Chula Vista, Hilltop and Castle Park High Schools were predominately “white” prior to the mid-seventies?? And that many of those ex-students still live in their “home turf?” Why would they feel uncomfortable in their own “home turf” even if the demographics have changed? What’s to be afraid of??[/quote]

I believe that should be late eighties rather than mid-seventies. First there came a wave of illegal immigration from Mexico in the early eighties, then in 1986 Reagan issued a wholesale amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, which allowed them to settle here for real and start bringing their relatives via legal and illegal means (starting with legal, then, by the mid-90’s, when the demand for family reunification immigrant visas proved to be far greater than annual caps in place for Mexico, clogging the system and resulting in 10+ year long waits in most categories, increasingly switching to illegal).

Escondido High went from 53% white in 1993 (the oldest number I can find) to 27% white in 2009. And yes, you do hear about people feeling uncomfortable in their “home turf” because of the changes in demographics.[/quote]

Understand about Escondido, Eugene and remember the waives of immigrants and also the “wholesale” amnesty program. But the schools I have mentioned may have been more “mixed” to begin with than Escondido High, which is about 50 miles from the US/MX border. I do believe it was much earlier, especially in Chula Vista, when “white” was the dominant demographic.

The demographics of Kearny and Hoover High were greatly changed in the 80’s and 90’s due to Federally funded resettlements of Vietnamese and Somali refugees, respectively.

Here in Chula Vista, many, many ex-HS students of nearby schools who graduated more than 40 years ago actually still live here, some in the same house they grew up in and some within blocks of that house. Most of these now “boomers” actively seek out nearby properties to assist their children in buying, the closer the better. Condition and often size are secondary as most of the lots are generous.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Eugene][quote]Do Piggs understand that the student populations of San Diego, Hoover, Crawford, Kearny, Clairemont, Helix, Sweetwater, Chula Vista, Hilltop and Castle Park High Schools were predominately “white” prior to the mid-seventies?? And that many of those ex-students still live in their “home turf?” Why would they feel uncomfortable in their own “home turf” even if the demographics have changed? What’s to be afraid of??[/quote]

I believe that should be late eighties rather than mid-seventies. First there came a wave of illegal immigration from Mexico in the early eighties, then in 1986 Reagan issued a wholesale amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, which allowed them to settle here for real and start bringing their relatives via legal and illegal means (starting with legal, then, by the mid-90’s, when the demand for family reunification immigrant visas proved to be far greater than annual caps in place for Mexico, clogging the system and resulting in 10+ year long waits in most categories, increasingly switching to illegal).

Escondido High went from 53% white in 1993 (the oldest number I can find) to 27% white in 2009. And yes, you do hear about people feeling uncomfortable in their “home turf” because of the changes in demographics.[/quote]

Understand about Escondido, Eugene and remember the waives of immigrants and also the “wholesale” amnesty program. But the schools I have mentioned may have been more “mixed” to begin with than Escondido High, which is about 50 miles from the US/MX border. I do believe it was much earlier, especially in Chula Vista, when “white” was the dominant demographic.

The demographics of Kearny and Hoover High were greatly changed in the 80’s and 90’s due to Federally funded resettlements of Vietnamese and Somali refugees, respectively.

Here in Chula Vista, many, many ex-HS students of nearby schools who graduated more than 40 years ago actually still live here, some in the same house they grew up in and some within blocks of that house. Most of these now “boomers” actively seek out nearby properties to assist their children in buying, the closer the better. Condition and often size are secondary as most of the lots are generous.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Eugene][quote]Do Piggs understand that the student populations of San Diego, Hoover, Crawford, Kearny, Clairemont, Helix, Sweetwater, Chula Vista, Hilltop and Castle Park High Schools were predominately “white” prior to the mid-seventies?? And that many of those ex-students still live in their “home turf?” Why would they feel uncomfortable in their own “home turf” even if the demographics have changed? What’s to be afraid of??[/quote]

I believe that should be late eighties rather than mid-seventies. First there came a wave of illegal immigration from Mexico in the early eighties, then in 1986 Reagan issued a wholesale amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, which allowed them to settle here for real and start bringing their relatives via legal and illegal means (starting with legal, then, by the mid-90’s, when the demand for family reunification immigrant visas proved to be far greater than annual caps in place for Mexico, clogging the system and resulting in 10+ year long waits in most categories, increasingly switching to illegal).

Escondido High went from 53% white in 1993 (the oldest number I can find) to 27% white in 2009. And yes, you do hear about people feeling uncomfortable in their “home turf” because of the changes in demographics.[/quote]

Understand about Escondido, Eugene and remember the waives of immigrants and also the “wholesale” amnesty program. But the schools I have mentioned may have been more “mixed” to begin with than Escondido High, which is about 50 miles from the US/MX border. I do believe it was much earlier, especially in Chula Vista, when “white” was the dominant demographic.

The demographics of Kearny and Hoover High were greatly changed in the 80’s and 90’s due to Federally funded resettlements of Vietnamese and Somali refugees, respectively.

Here in Chula Vista, many, many ex-HS students of nearby schools who graduated more than 40 years ago actually still live here, some in the same house they grew up in and some within blocks of that house. Most of these now “boomers” actively seek out nearby properties to assist their children in buying, the closer the better. Condition and often size are secondary as most of the lots are generous.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Eugene][quote]Do Piggs understand that the student populations of San Diego, Hoover, Crawford, Kearny, Clairemont, Helix, Sweetwater, Chula Vista, Hilltop and Castle Park High Schools were predominately “white” prior to the mid-seventies?? And that many of those ex-students still live in their “home turf?” Why would they feel uncomfortable in their own “home turf” even if the demographics have changed? What’s to be afraid of??[/quote]

I believe that should be late eighties rather than mid-seventies. First there came a wave of illegal immigration from Mexico in the early eighties, then in 1986 Reagan issued a wholesale amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, which allowed them to settle here for real and start bringing their relatives via legal and illegal means (starting with legal, then, by the mid-90’s, when the demand for family reunification immigrant visas proved to be far greater than annual caps in place for Mexico, clogging the system and resulting in 10+ year long waits in most categories, increasingly switching to illegal).

Escondido High went from 53% white in 1993 (the oldest number I can find) to 27% white in 2009. And yes, you do hear about people feeling uncomfortable in their “home turf” because of the changes in demographics.[/quote]

Understand about Escondido, Eugene and remember the waives of immigrants and also the “wholesale” amnesty program. But the schools I have mentioned may have been more “mixed” to begin with than Escondido High, which is about 50 miles from the US/MX border. I do believe it was much earlier, especially in Chula Vista, when “white” was the dominant demographic.

The demographics of Kearny and Hoover High were greatly changed in the 80’s and 90’s due to Federally funded resettlements of Vietnamese and Somali refugees, respectively.

Here in Chula Vista, many, many ex-HS students of nearby schools who graduated more than 40 years ago actually still live here, some in the same house they grew up in and some within blocks of that house. Most of these now “boomers” actively seek out nearby properties to assist their children in buying, the closer the better. Condition and often size are secondary as most of the lots are generous.

[an]

[quote=briansd1][quote=outtamojo]AN, is it just me or does it seem like these ” San Diego ain’t Paradise” threads all seem to evolve the same way, with the same characters, the same complaints?[/quote]

And the people defending SD are the same characters too.

I think that SD lacks maturity as a city. Mature cities are confident and can see their short comings.

As a San Diegan, I don’t care if people criticize my city. We are not the best. We could use improvements.

$500k + for an old wood bungalow in San Diego is too much relative to what’s available elsewhere.[/quote]
outtamojo, I totally agree, and it seems like they’re doing themselves a disservice by staying in a city they only 1/2 love, instead of trying to find a city that would make them at least 3/4 love and 1/4 tolerable for its shortcomings.

Brian, what good is it to tell someone to go f* off online. I never said SD have no shortcoming. SD have plenty of shortcomings. I’ll name you a few, lack of a true downtown (i.e. Chicago), lack of a basketball team, and lack of great public transportation. These are the shortcomings I can deal with and they don’t really bother me all that much.

For those who wants more houses built in the 20-40s, most of So.Cal. is not for you. We can’t go back in time and build more of those houses. SD is relatively young and there’s nothing you can do about it.

[an]

[quote=briansd1][quote=outtamojo]AN, is it just me or does it seem like these ” San Diego ain’t Paradise” threads all seem to evolve the same way, with the same characters, the same complaints?[/quote]

And the people defending SD are the same characters too.

I think that SD lacks maturity as a city. Mature cities are confident and can see their short comings.

As a San Diegan, I don’t care if people criticize my city. We are not the best. We could use improvements.

$500k + for an old wood bungalow in San Diego is too much relative to what’s available elsewhere.[/quote]
outtamojo, I totally agree, and it seems like they’re doing themselves a disservice by staying in a city they only 1/2 love, instead of trying to find a city that would make them at least 3/4 love and 1/4 tolerable for its shortcomings.

Brian, what good is it to tell someone to go f* off online. I never said SD have no shortcoming. SD have plenty of shortcomings. I’ll name you a few, lack of a true downtown (i.e. Chicago), lack of a basketball team, and lack of great public transportation. These are the shortcomings I can deal with and they don’t really bother me all that much.

For those who wants more houses built in the 20-40s, most of So.Cal. is not for you. We can’t go back in time and build more of those houses. SD is relatively young and there’s nothing you can do about it.

[an]

[quote=briansd1][quote=outtamojo]AN, is it just me or does it seem like these ” San Diego ain’t Paradise” threads all seem to evolve the same way, with the same characters, the same complaints?[/quote]

And the people defending SD are the same characters too.

I think that SD lacks maturity as a city. Mature cities are confident and can see their short comings.

As a San Diegan, I don’t care if people criticize my city. We are not the best. We could use improvements.

$500k + for an old wood bungalow in San Diego is too much relative to what’s available elsewhere.[/quote]
outtamojo, I totally agree, and it seems like they’re doing themselves a disservice by staying in a city they only 1/2 love, instead of trying to find a city that would make them at least 3/4 love and 1/4 tolerable for its shortcomings.

Brian, what good is it to tell someone to go f* off online. I never said SD have no shortcoming. SD have plenty of shortcomings. I’ll name you a few, lack of a true downtown (i.e. Chicago), lack of a basketball team, and lack of great public transportation. These are the shortcomings I can deal with and they don’t really bother me all that much.

For those who wants more houses built in the 20-40s, most of So.Cal. is not for you. We can’t go back in time and build more of those houses. SD is relatively young and there’s nothing you can do about it.

[an]

[quote=briansd1][quote=outtamojo]AN, is it just me or does it seem like these ” San Diego ain’t Paradise” threads all seem to evolve the same way, with the same characters, the same complaints?[/quote]

And the people defending SD are the same characters too.

I think that SD lacks maturity as a city. Mature cities are confident and can see their short comings.

As a San Diegan, I don’t care if people criticize my city. We are not the best. We could use improvements.

$500k + for an old wood bungalow in San Diego is too much relative to what’s available elsewhere.[/quote]
outtamojo, I totally agree, and it seems like they’re doing themselves a disservice by staying in a city they only 1/2 love, instead of trying to find a city that would make them at least 3/4 love and 1/4 tolerable for its shortcomings.

Brian, what good is it to tell someone to go f* off online. I never said SD have no shortcoming. SD have plenty of shortcomings. I’ll name you a few, lack of a true downtown (i.e. Chicago), lack of a basketball team, and lack of great public transportation. These are the shortcomings I can deal with and they don’t really bother me all that much.

For those who wants more houses built in the 20-40s, most of So.Cal. is not for you. We can’t go back in time and build more of those houses. SD is relatively young and there’s nothing you can do about it.

[an]

[quote=briansd1][quote=outtamojo]AN, is it just me or does it seem like these ” San Diego ain’t Paradise” threads all seem to evolve the same way, with the same characters, the same complaints?[/quote]

And the people defending SD are the same characters too.

I think that SD lacks maturity as a city. Mature cities are confident and can see their short comings.

As a San Diegan, I don’t care if people criticize my city. We are not the best. We could use improvements.

$500k + for an old wood bungalow in San Diego is too much relative to what’s available elsewhere.[/quote]
outtamojo, I totally agree, and it seems like they’re doing themselves a disservice by staying in a city they only 1/2 love, instead of trying to find a city that would make them at least 3/4 love and 1/4 tolerable for its shortcomings.

Brian, what good is it to tell someone to go f* off online. I never said SD have no shortcoming. SD have plenty of shortcomings. I’ll name you a few, lack of a true downtown (i.e. Chicago), lack of a basketball team, and lack of great public transportation. These are the shortcomings I can deal with and they don’t really bother me all that much.

For those who wants more houses built in the 20-40s, most of So.Cal. is not for you. We can’t go back in time and build more of those houses. SD is relatively young and there’s nothing you can do about it.

[Doooh]

I’m thinking about my kids now. If I were to stay here, I’d be putting them through this same BS decision unless San Diego housing prices dropped substantially.

Have we EVER run accross that in desirable cities in America? Detroit dropped off the map price wise but that’s place is a slum. Florida, vegas, and Pheonix come to mind as of late, but San Diego is hanging in there 5 yrs after the bust and is still priced ridiculously. But, really, can I expect San Diego to be more affordable in 20years when my kids are looking to buy? I don’t see that happening.

In the best case scenario, if SD dropped 25% from here, would I wish this on my kids? 25% off is still an obnoxious # in the big scheme of things. If I stay here the best case scenario is my kid will need to afford a quarter million dollar home to stay by their family, and raise my grandkids with me in town.

Scardy, did you take this into consideration when you bought. I gave is some passing thought, but the #’s are still horrendous in the best case, now that I really consider it. I’m setting my kids up for financial failure by staying in San Diego!

[Doooh]

I’m thinking about my kids now. If I were to stay here, I’d be putting them through this same BS decision unless San Diego housing prices dropped substantially.

Have we EVER run accross that in desirable cities in America? Detroit dropped off the map price wise but that’s place is a slum. Florida, vegas, and Pheonix come to mind as of late, but San Diego is hanging in there 5 yrs after the bust and is still priced ridiculously. But, really, can I expect San Diego to be more affordable in 20years when my kids are looking to buy? I don’t see that happening.

In the best case scenario, if SD dropped 25% from here, would I wish this on my kids? 25% off is still an obnoxious # in the big scheme of things. If I stay here the best case scenario is my kid will need to afford a quarter million dollar home to stay by their family, and raise my grandkids with me in town.

Scardy, did you take this into consideration when you bought. I gave is some passing thought, but the #’s are still horrendous in the best case, now that I really consider it. I’m setting my kids up for financial failure by staying in San Diego!

[Doooh]

I’m thinking about my kids now. If I were to stay here, I’d be putting them through this same BS decision unless San Diego housing prices dropped substantially.

Have we EVER run accross that in desirable cities in America? Detroit dropped off the map price wise but that’s place is a slum. Florida, vegas, and Pheonix come to mind as of late, but San Diego is hanging in there 5 yrs after the bust and is still priced ridiculously. But, really, can I expect San Diego to be more affordable in 20years when my kids are looking to buy? I don’t see that happening.

In the best case scenario, if SD dropped 25% from here, would I wish this on my kids? 25% off is still an obnoxious # in the big scheme of things. If I stay here the best case scenario is my kid will need to afford a quarter million dollar home to stay by their family, and raise my grandkids with me in town.

Scardy, did you take this into consideration when you bought. I gave is some passing thought, but the #’s are still horrendous in the best case, now that I really consider it. I’m setting my kids up for financial failure by staying in San Diego!

[Doooh]

I’m thinking about my kids now. If I were to stay here, I’d be putting them through this same BS decision unless San Diego housing prices dropped substantially.

Have we EVER run accross that in desirable cities in America? Detroit dropped off the map price wise but that’s place is a slum. Florida, vegas, and Pheonix come to mind as of late, but San Diego is hanging in there 5 yrs after the bust and is still priced ridiculously. But, really, can I expect San Diego to be more affordable in 20years when my kids are looking to buy? I don’t see that happening.

In the best case scenario, if SD dropped 25% from here, would I wish this on my kids? 25% off is still an obnoxious # in the big scheme of things. If I stay here the best case scenario is my kid will need to afford a quarter million dollar home to stay by their family, and raise my grandkids with me in town.

Scardy, did you take this into consideration when you bought. I gave is some passing thought, but the #’s are still horrendous in the best case, now that I really consider it. I’m setting my kids up for financial failure by staying in San Diego!

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