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February 26, 2023 at 9:29 PM #901895
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February 27, 2023 at 6:58 PM #901905
plm
ParticipantWe had a FEMA emergency in San Diego? Do you actually have to be affected or everyone in San Diego qualifies?
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February 28, 2023 at 6:48 AM #901906
Coronita
ParticipantAccording to the link I shared, if the address you use for your tax filing is within those affected counties, the IRS automatically qualifies you. Riverside County is not on that list, neither is Imperial.
Those puddles in my backyard was really worrisome. If I wasn’t careful, I might have accidentally submerged my brand new New Balance shoes by 3/8 of an inch walking in my backyard last year.
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March 2, 2023 at 11:05 AM #901917
plm
ParticipantThe only thing I can think of to take advantage of this is to do the 5K paper Ibond from your refund. So I suppose you can do your taxes, figure out how much you owe/refund. Then add another estimated tax payment to get 5K back then get the 5K IBond.
Kind of scared of doing paper bonds though. I still have a stack of EE BONDS that matured but figuring out how to collect on them is very hard since it seems like most banks stopped and you need to send it in to the government.
Perhaps we should ask for disaster declaration from FEMA this year too. Yesterday was actually one of the worst storms I drove through for years. And I actually got wet from the rain.
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March 2, 2023 at 2:54 PM #901918
Coronita
ParticipantFunny you should ask. My parents had a stack EE bonds that have stopped accruing interest 10 years ago they forgot about. Chase Bank processes them still, at least the ones in 92130 did two weeks ago. You do have to make an appointment, because they have machine readers to verify they are authentic that needs to be used. call the bank and ask.
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March 3, 2023 at 11:49 AM #901922
plm
ParticipantI’ve got an account with Chase so perfect, time to cash in! Worst investment ever, only a little over 2x for 30 years! Only got them due to a savings bond drive at my first company I worked for. Don’t know what they were thinking pushing savings bonds. If they had an ESPP, I would have made 10X. So financially stupid when you are young. A few of them are still earning 4 percent. But I should just cash them all. Getting 4.8 percent with 13 week tbills.
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March 6, 2023 at 8:26 AM #901935
Coronita
ParticipantAccording to my parents, the only reason why they have the EE bonds was they use to work for NASA a long time ago, and at the government agency and defense contractors, they all pushed for the EE bonds. My parents didn’t know what to do with them and kept them in a safe deposit box in the bank since they were all paper at the time. I went to move some of the personal items I had in that box since I was a kid and saw like 4 stacks of the EE bonds, some as going back to the late 1970’s… I guess they forgot about them, and I was like “you know some of these stopped accruing interest for a long time now”…And they were like “oh”….And so off they went to trying to figure out how to cash them in…
Chase in DelMar supposedly has 2 machines that they can use to verify the EE bonds. A few notes were so old, one of the machines was having a hard time with them.
I asked if they had any extra deeds to real estate or land in California since the 1970’s that I’m not aware of that I’m not aware of…Unfortunately, that was a negative 🙁
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March 15, 2023 at 11:50 AM #902042
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ParticipantI suppose the Chase branch I went to didn’t have the fancy machines to verify. It was all manual. They said there’s lot of fraud so they only do it for members who have an account for over a year. They only let me make an appointment when they have extra staff because it takes a long time to process a stack of them. And they will only do so many at a time if it gets busy.
Paper savings bonds just not worth it. Stupid bond drives.
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March 16, 2023 at 11:18 AM #902043
Coronita
ParticipantSorry to hear that. If it’s not to far, you can try
Chase Bank
3433 Del Mar Heights Rd · In Del Mar Highlands Town Center · (858) 314-1311Give them a call and make an appt. Yes, some of the certificates that are old take a long time. It’s ok….
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March 16, 2023 at 1:02 PM #902046
plm
ParticipantI wasn’t clear. They did do it for me. Took about 40 minutes for 20 bonds. It was raining hard at the time so they weren’t really busy at all and did all of them. My wife has a couple of bonds that I might have to mail in to cash since she doesn’t have an account with Chase. But at least those are still earning interest although only 3 percent so there is no hurry.
Would have wasted time to drive to Del Mar even it they have faster equipment so that wasn’t a good option. Thanks
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March 3, 2023 at 12:43 PM #901923
sdrealtor
ParticipantI’m sure you had your share of losing investments. We all do. Sometimes safety of principal ain’t the worst thing
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March 3, 2023 at 12:55 PM #901924
plm
ParticipantDefinitely lost alot of money in stocks when I just started out investing so I stopped for a long time. Thankfully company provided ESPP and RSUs so I got lucky. And also lost alot last year too. For the long term as a kid in his 20s it should be all stocks or at least an index fund. Later in life, probably a safer mix of stocks and bonds I suppose although I’m still thinking only short term bonds.
Just have to play the averages long term – stocks averaging around 10 and bonds around 6 percent. Stocks are definitely more of a roller coaster though.
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March 6, 2023 at 11:57 AM #901938
sdrealtor
ParticipantSounds like a lot of us +/- the espp rsu’s
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March 6, 2023 at 7:19 PM #901942
svelte
ParticipantFederal may have extended the deadline but I don’t think state did.
I mailed a large dollar value set of bonds to the government a couple of years back. Very scary sticking all of that in the mail, but I insured it, tracked it, and crossed my fingers. Worked out fine.
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March 7, 2023 at 5:53 AM #901943
Coronita
ParticipantCA FTB rarely deviates from IRS, it would create a tax filing nightmare. So they also announced extending it for disaster impacted areas..
Sacramento – The IRS announced tax relief for Californians affected by these winter storms. Taxpayers affected by these storms qualify for an extension to October 16, 2023, to file individual and business tax returns and make certain tax payments. This includes:
Individuals whose tax returns and payments are due on April 18, 2023.
Quarterly estimated tax payments due January 17, 2023, April 18, 2023, June 15, 2023, and September 15, 2023.
Business entities whose tax returns are normally due on March 15 and April 18.
PTE Elective Tax payments due on June 15, 2023.
The following counties are eligible for this extended tax relief, per the IRS January 10 announcement and IRS January 24 announcement:Residents and businesses in Alameda, Alpine, Amador, Butte, Calaveras, Colusa, Contra Costa, Del Norte, El Dorado, Fresno, Glenn, Humboldt, Inyo, Kings, Lake, Los Angeles, Madera, Marin, Mariposa, Mendocino, Merced, Mono, Monterey, Napa, Nevada, Orange, Placer, Riverside, Sacramento, San Benito, San Bernardino, San Diego, San Francisco, San Joaquin, San Luis Obispo, San Mateo, Santa Barbara, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, Siskiyou, Solano, Sonoma, Stanislaus, Sutter, Tehama, Trinity, Tulare, Tuolumne, Ventura, Yolo, and Yuba counties who have been affected by severe winter storms, flooding, landslides, and mudslides are eligible for tax relief.
Looks like Riverside is now on the list…
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March 7, 2023 at 10:21 AM #901945
plm
ParticipantThe state message is easier to understand. So estimate tax payments for 2023 are also delayed till October 16. I had thought from the Fed message, that delay was only for 2022 estimate tax payments. So I guess the Oct 16 date applies to both fed and state for 2023 estimated tax payments.
What is messed up is I still need to do estimated taxes (dividend income) even though I had huge losses last year for some stocks I just had to get out of. But dividends somehow are treated differently than capital gains and doesn’t apply even though they are taxed the same way.
I suppose I should wait until October to make the payments. So this is a decent benefit from all the flooding. Can buy additional 6 mo tbill to make around 5 percent more by delaying the payment.
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March 8, 2023 at 5:51 AM #901997
Coronita
ParticipantYes, our tax laws are pretty complicated, and when it comes to investments it makes a difference between What is recognized as capital gains and what is recognized as income.
Capital gain losses are limited to $3000 per year, I think, and the rest has to be carried over.
This is particularly an issue if a company gives you RSU stock grants and ESPP stock plan. For RSU stocks, when your RSU stocks vest, the fair market value of those vested shares is considered “ordinary income” and you will owe taxes that year. So for example if 1000 RSU shares best at $100/share that day, you will pay ordinary income taxes on $100k. If you sell the RSU stock , the proceeds from that stock sale is capital gain or los, with the cost basis being $100/share. So for example, if you sell the RSU a month later, if the stock price is $90, you have a capital loss of $10k, of which only -$3000 goes on this year tax and the remaining -$7000 you carry over to next year. The IRS wants its money now from your vesting , and they limit what you can report as a loss to offset income to $3000.
For that reason, when it comes to RSU or ESPP shares, I usually just do a same day sale. If your company does well, your invested shares and future ESPP shares will more than compensate you. And if your company doesn’t do well, there’s no point in keeping so many shares and wealth transfering your money to the CEOs that do regular time sales of their shares.
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March 8, 2023 at 10:34 AM #902001
plm
ParticipantInteresting point about RSUs. So you pay tax on getting them, it goes down and you can’t even write off against the tax you paid for them. I just considered RSUs as no risk investment because of 0 cost basis so I was never inclined to sell until I needed the money. I know now this is stupid, cost basis should not matter except perhaps for tax reasons if you think stock is going down. Makes more sense to sell the RSUs right away. ESPP there is a tax benefit to hold them so most of the gains are long term instead of short term. Stock went up considerably over time. Fortunately, I rarely sold any because doing taxes on either RSUs and ESPP is incredibly difficult.
So basically I did well with my RSUs/ESPP because I was lucky, stupid, and lazy. The free random share I got from Robinhood is doing better than anything I picked on my own. Perhaps I shouldn’t bother and just have an index fund.
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March 8, 2023 at 12:48 PM #902002
Coronita
ParticipantNot financial advice, but the RSU and ESPP stock sales strategy should be based on how stable you think the company’s stock is.
When I worked at Intuit, there was no point in being in a hurry to sell RSU and ESPP shares because back them the stock didn’t move much….And even now, they are pretty much recession proof.
When I worked at a new fledging startup that IPOed, you wante to sell as much stock options, stock, and ESPP as possible because in smaller companies, there are “lockup windows”, and you don’t want to get stuck holding onto a newly issued stock that tanks after the initial hype. A lot of people hold onto ESPP shares for the “tax advantage” benefit, but the big assumption here is you sell at a gain. In a lot of cases, especially at small tech companies, holding onto ESPP shares ends up paying ordinary income on vested shares, and then carrying over a lot of capital gain losses in successive years. Back to the the startup company that I worked at that IPOed. ESPP shares were granted at $125/share a few times. Those that held for the “taxable advantage” of holding long term ended up carrying over capital losses when the stock tanked $10/share 6months later.
A wise friend once told me it’s much wiser to pay more taxes on gains from stock sale then to incur capital loss carryovers trying to hold on to something too long just to save a few thousand extra on taxes.
That’s why I tend to sell my ESPP and RSU shares when they vest. Because you never know if it will be better years from now, of if the tech company goes under.
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March 9, 2023 at 10:34 AM #902007
plm
ParticipantI wish I learned my lesson to sell and not worry about paying taxes. Big gains can turn into losses so quickly. But it did work out very well in not selling my ESPP/RSUs but it was a big gamble when I decided to go all in instead of selling and moving to other stocks to have some diversification. Decided to put most of my cash into stocks so it isn’t basically just one company. It’s now only about half which is good enough I suppose.
Now I’m going back to increasing cash, buying bonds instead of stocks with any money I save. More diversification but less future returns.
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March 16, 2023 at 11:20 AM #902044
Coronita
ParticipantYou can’t win them all.
If you did sell and not worry about paying taxes and the stock kept moving up, you’d be saying, I wish I didn’t sell.
And if you don’t sell, and it goes down, you’ll wish you sold.
We all paint ourselves into corner, that game show “You Can’t Win” lol.
We might be right a few times, because of luck
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March 17, 2023 at 10:23 AM #902047
plm
ParticipantYes it does seem like I can’t win. Last year was really bad and this year actually is kind of good but wouldn’t call it a win. I should have kept buying more AMD/NVDA instead of tbills. I’m confident it will end up well long term for stocks. Positioned more for survival with bonds than making a fortune with stocks but that’s probably a good thing in this unpredictable environment. So prepared if I don’t win but hoping to finally win big.
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