2011 API scores are out

[cvmom]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=cvmom]…I think you missed Canyon Crest Academy (in San Dieguito district), it got 910. This one is of big personal interest to me, as we have to decide on a high school for my kid this year, Canyon Crest vs. Torrey Pines.[/quote]

Thank you cvmom. Is Canyon Crest Academy a charter or alternative school? I think I missed it because I may have thought it was. What is the student population there?[/quote]

Canyon Crest is about half the size of Torrey Pines, is not charter. There is a waiting list though and you have to “choice” in and hope your number comes up.

[cvmom]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=sdrealtor]BG
Do you really beleive that all kids arrive at 10th grade or even 7th grade evenly prepared? Only an idiot would think the elementary scores are used for college admissions and we are not idiots here. What they are is an indicator of the quality of students your child will be surrounded by. The competitive landscape so to speak. A student surrounded by top performers is more likely to be motivated and the teachers are less likely to have to dumb down the curriculumn to the lower performers. That is the biggest reason for searching out top performing schools. If you want to play in the big leagues of life you need to be prepared to compete at every level.[/quote]

sdr, curriculumns (sic) aren’t “dumbed down” in elem schools scoring below 900. Children are placed in classes according to their abilities in EVERY school. Many parents don’t wish their kids to be surrounded by multitudes of “helicopter parents” (mostly “soccer moms” with nothing better to do) constantly attempting to disrupt the teaching going on in there with their own personal agendas, as in many “900+ scoring” elem schools.

Social and economic class has nothing to do with the “quality” of a child … either as a student or a friend/human being.

You seem to be getting worked up here about your “perceived social class level” of the classmates of your children. When all is said and done, these “classmates” will not have had any part in how well your child performed in elem school.

Even when newly-minted HS graduates move their tassels from one side of their mortar boards to the other, they all say goodbye to each other and each goes their separate ways.

TEACHERS can make a HUGE difference in a student’s performance but their classmates are just a distraction to a kid during school hours. Too many “other student-friends” in your child’s life will simply end up as another notch on their Facebook walls.

You would be surprised how many of the girls with the highest grades and/or whose families have the most $ end up marrying a sailor right out of HS due to pregnancy …. yes, even today. And how many of the upper MC or “rich” boys join the military right out of HS or decide to travel cross-country for a couple of years in a 1968 VW Van before enrolling in college.

I sincerely hope your kids never disappoint you and only “mingle” with what you consider to be “quality” children along their respective paths in life, sdr.[/quote]

Although I think BG is correct about elementary school, once you get up to middle and high school I lean toward sdr’s perspective. That is where the peer group begins to have a huge effect. I see my sister’s kid (just as bright as my kid) just coasting along because he is a smart fish in a small pond in a rural school. Whereas my kid is so much much more motivated because he is running full-speed (academically speaking) to keep up with his peers.

[cvmom]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=sdrealtor]BG
Do you really beleive that all kids arrive at 10th grade or even 7th grade evenly prepared? Only an idiot would think the elementary scores are used for college admissions and we are not idiots here. What they are is an indicator of the quality of students your child will be surrounded by. The competitive landscape so to speak. A student surrounded by top performers is more likely to be motivated and the teachers are less likely to have to dumb down the curriculumn to the lower performers. That is the biggest reason for searching out top performing schools. If you want to play in the big leagues of life you need to be prepared to compete at every level.[/quote]

sdr, curriculumns (sic) aren’t “dumbed down” in elem schools scoring below 900. Children are placed in classes according to their abilities in EVERY school. Many parents don’t wish their kids to be surrounded by multitudes of “helicopter parents” (mostly “soccer moms” with nothing better to do) constantly attempting to disrupt the teaching going on in there with their own personal agendas, as in many “900+ scoring” elem schools.

Social and economic class has nothing to do with the “quality” of a child … either as a student or a friend/human being.

You seem to be getting worked up here about your “perceived social class level” of the classmates of your children. When all is said and done, these “classmates” will not have had any part in how well your child performed in elem school.

Even when newly-minted HS graduates move their tassels from one side of their mortar boards to the other, they all say goodbye to each other and each goes their separate ways.

TEACHERS can make a HUGE difference in a student’s performance but their classmates are just a distraction to a kid during school hours. Too many “other student-friends” in your child’s life will simply end up as another notch on their Facebook walls.

You would be surprised how many of the girls with the highest grades and/or whose families have the most $ end up marrying a sailor right out of HS due to pregnancy …. yes, even today. And how many of the upper MC or “rich” boys join the military right out of HS or decide to travel cross-country for a couple of years in a 1968 VW Van before enrolling in college.

I sincerely hope your kids never disappoint you and only “mingle” with what you consider to be “quality” children along their respective paths in life, sdr.[/quote]

Although I think BG is correct about elementary school, once you get up to middle and high school I lean toward sdr’s perspective. That is where the peer group begins to have a huge effect. I see my sister’s kid (just as bright as my kid) just coasting along because he is a smart fish in a small pond in a rural school. Whereas my kid is so much much more motivated because he is running full-speed (academically speaking) to keep up with his peers.

[cvmom]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=sdrealtor]BG
Do you really beleive that all kids arrive at 10th grade or even 7th grade evenly prepared? Only an idiot would think the elementary scores are used for college admissions and we are not idiots here. What they are is an indicator of the quality of students your child will be surrounded by. The competitive landscape so to speak. A student surrounded by top performers is more likely to be motivated and the teachers are less likely to have to dumb down the curriculumn to the lower performers. That is the biggest reason for searching out top performing schools. If you want to play in the big leagues of life you need to be prepared to compete at every level.[/quote]

sdr, curriculumns (sic) aren’t “dumbed down” in elem schools scoring below 900. Children are placed in classes according to their abilities in EVERY school. Many parents don’t wish their kids to be surrounded by multitudes of “helicopter parents” (mostly “soccer moms” with nothing better to do) constantly attempting to disrupt the teaching going on in there with their own personal agendas, as in many “900+ scoring” elem schools.

Social and economic class has nothing to do with the “quality” of a child … either as a student or a friend/human being.

You seem to be getting worked up here about your “perceived social class level” of the classmates of your children. When all is said and done, these “classmates” will not have had any part in how well your child performed in elem school.

Even when newly-minted HS graduates move their tassels from one side of their mortar boards to the other, they all say goodbye to each other and each goes their separate ways.

TEACHERS can make a HUGE difference in a student’s performance but their classmates are just a distraction to a kid during school hours. Too many “other student-friends” in your child’s life will simply end up as another notch on their Facebook walls.

You would be surprised how many of the girls with the highest grades and/or whose families have the most $ end up marrying a sailor right out of HS due to pregnancy …. yes, even today. And how many of the upper MC or “rich” boys join the military right out of HS or decide to travel cross-country for a couple of years in a 1968 VW Van before enrolling in college.

I sincerely hope your kids never disappoint you and only “mingle” with what you consider to be “quality” children along their respective paths in life, sdr.[/quote]

Although I think BG is correct about elementary school, once you get up to middle and high school I lean toward sdr’s perspective. That is where the peer group begins to have a huge effect. I see my sister’s kid (just as bright as my kid) just coasting along because he is a smart fish in a small pond in a rural school. Whereas my kid is so much much more motivated because he is running full-speed (academically speaking) to keep up with his peers.

[UCGal]

[quote=poorgradstudent]
API borders on meaningless. It’s a great reflection of how much money the student’s parents in the area make. I’m still waiting for value-added scoring to catch on like it is starting to in LA.[/quote]

Are you talking about using programs like MAP testing? I think the PUSD uses it, and I remember hearing a recommendation from one of the GATE staff at SDUSD talk about it – but there’s no budget for it ib SDUSD.

My understanding is that MAP (Measure of Academic progress) tests are done in the beginning of the year and the end – they measure the actual knowlege/skills, (not just proficiency at an arbitrary grade level), then you compare it at the end- and *hopefully* see progress.

I wish San Diego unified did stuff like this – so a kid that is reading ahead of grade level or doing math ahead of grade level is still pushed to improve over what they entered with at the beginning of the year. Conversely, a child that is below grade level will still be measured on improvement over the year.

I would think teachers would value this assessment tool – lets them get credit for improving kids who are below grade level as wall as those above grade level. Documents the improvement.

http://www.nwea.org/products-services/computer-based-adaptive-assessments/map

[UCGal]

[quote=poorgradstudent]
API borders on meaningless. It’s a great reflection of how much money the student’s parents in the area make. I’m still waiting for value-added scoring to catch on like it is starting to in LA.[/quote]

Are you talking about using programs like MAP testing? I think the PUSD uses it, and I remember hearing a recommendation from one of the GATE staff at SDUSD talk about it – but there’s no budget for it ib SDUSD.

My understanding is that MAP (Measure of Academic progress) tests are done in the beginning of the year and the end – they measure the actual knowlege/skills, (not just proficiency at an arbitrary grade level), then you compare it at the end- and *hopefully* see progress.

I wish San Diego unified did stuff like this – so a kid that is reading ahead of grade level or doing math ahead of grade level is still pushed to improve over what they entered with at the beginning of the year. Conversely, a child that is below grade level will still be measured on improvement over the year.

I would think teachers would value this assessment tool – lets them get credit for improving kids who are below grade level as wall as those above grade level. Documents the improvement.

http://www.nwea.org/products-services/computer-based-adaptive-assessments/map

[UCGal]

[quote=poorgradstudent]
API borders on meaningless. It’s a great reflection of how much money the student’s parents in the area make. I’m still waiting for value-added scoring to catch on like it is starting to in LA.[/quote]

Are you talking about using programs like MAP testing? I think the PUSD uses it, and I remember hearing a recommendation from one of the GATE staff at SDUSD talk about it – but there’s no budget for it ib SDUSD.

My understanding is that MAP (Measure of Academic progress) tests are done in the beginning of the year and the end – they measure the actual knowlege/skills, (not just proficiency at an arbitrary grade level), then you compare it at the end- and *hopefully* see progress.

I wish San Diego unified did stuff like this – so a kid that is reading ahead of grade level or doing math ahead of grade level is still pushed to improve over what they entered with at the beginning of the year. Conversely, a child that is below grade level will still be measured on improvement over the year.

I would think teachers would value this assessment tool – lets them get credit for improving kids who are below grade level as wall as those above grade level. Documents the improvement.

http://www.nwea.org/products-services/computer-based-adaptive-assessments/map

[carli]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=cvmom]…I think you missed Canyon Crest Academy (in San Dieguito district), it got 910. This one is of big personal interest to me, as we have to decide on a high school for my kid this year, Canyon Crest vs. Torrey Pines.[/quote]

Thank you cvmom. Is Canyon Crest Academy a charter or alternative school? I think I missed it because I may have thought it was. What is the student population there?[/quote]

Canyon Crest Academy (CCA) is neither charter nor alternative (although I’m not positive what you mean by alternative). It’s one of several public high schools in the San Dieguito Union High School district. For many years, it was overshadowed by the biggie within our district, Torrey Pines High School (TPHS) and its reputation, but last year CCA’s API score surpassed TPHS and this year it looks like CCA’s lead (in API scores only – this is not a value judgment on the greater worth of each school) has grown.

CCA operates on a block schedule so it’s pretty intense, which maybe attracts students who are more driven. Students take 4 classes during each of two semesters for a total of 8 classes per year whereas TPHS kids are on a more typical high school schedule and take 6 classes that last an entire year. Obviously there are pros and cons to both – kids at CCA get the opportunity to take a lot of electives and can also generally advance further faster in a subject, but the downside is that there’s a lot to cram into their brains (especially in AP classes) in such a short time.

CCA offers a conservatory arts program so it attracts a lot of kids interested in music, art, dance and drama. CCA does not have a football team (but does have other competitive sports teams that students turn out for), but for some, having a football team to cheer for is a must.

CCA has only been open for about 5 years (or maybe it’s 6 now, I can’t recall) and is available to families within the SDUHSD district by lottery. For years, every kid who wanted to get in to CCA got in, but the last two years, they’ve had to turn kids away because the lottery was oversubscribed.

We’ve had two kids at CCA, both have loved it, and we’ve been extremely impressed by the caliber of teaching and programs, as well as students. They’re not only good students but honestly seem very well-rounded, many involved in some type of athletic pursuit and/or art/music/drama and are pretty open-minded and accepting kids…in other words, there doesn’t seem to be a certain “type” of CCA student. Intellectual curiosity is encouraged, and kids are very high achieving…probably partly because of parental influence and partly because it’s who they are. This probably contributes to high API scores. We feel fortunate to have access to such a great public school (and I’m not categorizing it as “great” based on its API score!)

[carli]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=cvmom]…I think you missed Canyon Crest Academy (in San Dieguito district), it got 910. This one is of big personal interest to me, as we have to decide on a high school for my kid this year, Canyon Crest vs. Torrey Pines.[/quote]

Thank you cvmom. Is Canyon Crest Academy a charter or alternative school? I think I missed it because I may have thought it was. What is the student population there?[/quote]

Canyon Crest Academy (CCA) is neither charter nor alternative (although I’m not positive what you mean by alternative). It’s one of several public high schools in the San Dieguito Union High School district. For many years, it was overshadowed by the biggie within our district, Torrey Pines High School (TPHS) and its reputation, but last year CCA’s API score surpassed TPHS and this year it looks like CCA’s lead (in API scores only – this is not a value judgment on the greater worth of each school) has grown.

CCA operates on a block schedule so it’s pretty intense, which maybe attracts students who are more driven. Students take 4 classes during each of two semesters for a total of 8 classes per year whereas TPHS kids are on a more typical high school schedule and take 6 classes that last an entire year. Obviously there are pros and cons to both – kids at CCA get the opportunity to take a lot of electives and can also generally advance further faster in a subject, but the downside is that there’s a lot to cram into their brains (especially in AP classes) in such a short time.

CCA offers a conservatory arts program so it attracts a lot of kids interested in music, art, dance and drama. CCA does not have a football team (but does have other competitive sports teams that students turn out for), but for some, having a football team to cheer for is a must.

CCA has only been open for about 5 years (or maybe it’s 6 now, I can’t recall) and is available to families within the SDUHSD district by lottery. For years, every kid who wanted to get in to CCA got in, but the last two years, they’ve had to turn kids away because the lottery was oversubscribed.

We’ve had two kids at CCA, both have loved it, and we’ve been extremely impressed by the caliber of teaching and programs, as well as students. They’re not only good students but honestly seem very well-rounded, many involved in some type of athletic pursuit and/or art/music/drama and are pretty open-minded and accepting kids…in other words, there doesn’t seem to be a certain “type” of CCA student. Intellectual curiosity is encouraged, and kids are very high achieving…probably partly because of parental influence and partly because it’s who they are. This probably contributes to high API scores. We feel fortunate to have access to such a great public school (and I’m not categorizing it as “great” based on its API score!)

[carli]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=cvmom]…I think you missed Canyon Crest Academy (in San Dieguito district), it got 910. This one is of big personal interest to me, as we have to decide on a high school for my kid this year, Canyon Crest vs. Torrey Pines.[/quote]

Thank you cvmom. Is Canyon Crest Academy a charter or alternative school? I think I missed it because I may have thought it was. What is the student population there?[/quote]

Canyon Crest Academy (CCA) is neither charter nor alternative (although I’m not positive what you mean by alternative). It’s one of several public high schools in the San Dieguito Union High School district. For many years, it was overshadowed by the biggie within our district, Torrey Pines High School (TPHS) and its reputation, but last year CCA’s API score surpassed TPHS and this year it looks like CCA’s lead (in API scores only – this is not a value judgment on the greater worth of each school) has grown.

CCA operates on a block schedule so it’s pretty intense, which maybe attracts students who are more driven. Students take 4 classes during each of two semesters for a total of 8 classes per year whereas TPHS kids are on a more typical high school schedule and take 6 classes that last an entire year. Obviously there are pros and cons to both – kids at CCA get the opportunity to take a lot of electives and can also generally advance further faster in a subject, but the downside is that there’s a lot to cram into their brains (especially in AP classes) in such a short time.

CCA offers a conservatory arts program so it attracts a lot of kids interested in music, art, dance and drama. CCA does not have a football team (but does have other competitive sports teams that students turn out for), but for some, having a football team to cheer for is a must.

CCA has only been open for about 5 years (or maybe it’s 6 now, I can’t recall) and is available to families within the SDUHSD district by lottery. For years, every kid who wanted to get in to CCA got in, but the last two years, they’ve had to turn kids away because the lottery was oversubscribed.

We’ve had two kids at CCA, both have loved it, and we’ve been extremely impressed by the caliber of teaching and programs, as well as students. They’re not only good students but honestly seem very well-rounded, many involved in some type of athletic pursuit and/or art/music/drama and are pretty open-minded and accepting kids…in other words, there doesn’t seem to be a certain “type” of CCA student. Intellectual curiosity is encouraged, and kids are very high achieving…probably partly because of parental influence and partly because it’s who they are. This probably contributes to high API scores. We feel fortunate to have access to such a great public school (and I’m not categorizing it as “great” based on its API score!)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=cvmom]Although I think BG is correct about elementary school, once you get up to middle and high school I lean toward sdr’s perspective. That is where the peer group begins to have a huge effect. I see my sister’s kid (just as bright as my kid) just coasting along because he is a smart fish in a small pond in a rural school. Whereas my kid is so much much more motivated because he is running full-speed (academically speaking) to keep up with his peers.[/quote]

Totally agree here, cvmom. However, the MORE “peers” your kid “associates” with (successful or not) the more “distractions” they have (texting/facebook, etc). The focused kid who is a little bit of a loner will probably get the higher GPA, IMHO. There is so much work to do to get through HS these days that I believe the less distracted the kid is, the better. For example, if your kid already HAS 397 online “friends,” why does he/she now need 512, even if these “add-on friends” make good grades or come from “more affluent” families??

How many times can you rescue your kid from an “impromptu afterschool party” at one of the neighborhood “McMansions” before their interim grades determine that they have too much on their plates??

You make a good argument here for just “renting” for 4-6 years if the “coveted, high-scoring” HS you want your kid to go to is surrounded by expensive HOA’s and CFD’s (which have 20-45 yrs of MR left).

Why imprison yourself for life with HOA/exorbitant MR and possibly not even be able to recover your purchase price in the foreseeable future if you can just “borrow” the property only for the few years that you need it for your kid and then move out??

Many newly minted HS graduates are just itching to spread their wings and work and/or attend school in another locale. As a parent, if you “downsize” out of their old “stomping grounds” after your kid(s) graduate from HS, hopefully they won’t later try to come back to “haunt you” as “boomerang kids.”

Of course, this suggestion would not apply if the great-scoring school is not surrounded by expensive HOAs/MRs (such as LJHS – primarily surrounded by older homeowners). In that case, buy property whenever you are able to there and “retire in place.” :=]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=cvmom]Although I think BG is correct about elementary school, once you get up to middle and high school I lean toward sdr’s perspective. That is where the peer group begins to have a huge effect. I see my sister’s kid (just as bright as my kid) just coasting along because he is a smart fish in a small pond in a rural school. Whereas my kid is so much much more motivated because he is running full-speed (academically speaking) to keep up with his peers.[/quote]

Totally agree here, cvmom. However, the MORE “peers” your kid “associates” with (successful or not) the more “distractions” they have (texting/facebook, etc). The focused kid who is a little bit of a loner will probably get the higher GPA, IMHO. There is so much work to do to get through HS these days that I believe the less distracted the kid is, the better. For example, if your kid already HAS 397 online “friends,” why does he/she now need 512, even if these “add-on friends” make good grades or come from “more affluent” families??

How many times can you rescue your kid from an “impromptu afterschool party” at one of the neighborhood “McMansions” before their interim grades determine that they have too much on their plates??

You make a good argument here for just “renting” for 4-6 years if the “coveted, high-scoring” HS you want your kid to go to is surrounded by expensive HOA’s and CFD’s (which have 20-45 yrs of MR left).

Why imprison yourself for life with HOA/exorbitant MR and possibly not even be able to recover your purchase price in the foreseeable future if you can just “borrow” the property only for the few years that you need it for your kid and then move out??

Many newly minted HS graduates are just itching to spread their wings and work and/or attend school in another locale. As a parent, if you “downsize” out of their old “stomping grounds” after your kid(s) graduate from HS, hopefully they won’t later try to come back to “haunt you” as “boomerang kids.”

Of course, this suggestion would not apply if the great-scoring school is not surrounded by expensive HOAs/MRs (such as LJHS – primarily surrounded by older homeowners). In that case, buy property whenever you are able to there and “retire in place.” :=]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=cvmom]Although I think BG is correct about elementary school, once you get up to middle and high school I lean toward sdr’s perspective. That is where the peer group begins to have a huge effect. I see my sister’s kid (just as bright as my kid) just coasting along because he is a smart fish in a small pond in a rural school. Whereas my kid is so much much more motivated because he is running full-speed (academically speaking) to keep up with his peers.[/quote]

Totally agree here, cvmom. However, the MORE “peers” your kid “associates” with (successful or not) the more “distractions” they have (texting/facebook, etc). The focused kid who is a little bit of a loner will probably get the higher GPA, IMHO. There is so much work to do to get through HS these days that I believe the less distracted the kid is, the better. For example, if your kid already HAS 397 online “friends,” why does he/she now need 512, even if these “add-on friends” make good grades or come from “more affluent” families??

How many times can you rescue your kid from an “impromptu afterschool party” at one of the neighborhood “McMansions” before their interim grades determine that they have too much on their plates??

You make a good argument here for just “renting” for 4-6 years if the “coveted, high-scoring” HS you want your kid to go to is surrounded by expensive HOA’s and CFD’s (which have 20-45 yrs of MR left).

Why imprison yourself for life with HOA/exorbitant MR and possibly not even be able to recover your purchase price in the foreseeable future if you can just “borrow” the property only for the few years that you need it for your kid and then move out??

Many newly minted HS graduates are just itching to spread their wings and work and/or attend school in another locale. As a parent, if you “downsize” out of their old “stomping grounds” after your kid(s) graduate from HS, hopefully they won’t later try to come back to “haunt you” as “boomerang kids.”

Of course, this suggestion would not apply if the great-scoring school is not surrounded by expensive HOAs/MRs (such as LJHS – primarily surrounded by older homeowners). In that case, buy property whenever you are able to there and “retire in place.” :=]

[joec]

bg, I think what sdr is saying is that all the grade levels, even elementary school at a higher rated school will help at child at high school levels.

Your comments make you come off as just worry about hs and don’t worry about elemen/middle and I’m sure you don’t mean that neither, but the bottom line is if you can send them to higher rated schools with more resources, smarter/harder working and better kids, you’re “probably” be better off later in life.

You’re saying the rich, wealthy girls with the highest grades ends up with the sailor right out of HS, well, look at the % that will do that in the TOP TOP economic circles vs. the much LARGER amount that will in the lower circles.

As much as I hate the tiger mom, her kid is going to Yale I think and got into Harvard as well and is a concert pianist to boot. I’m sure many folks hope to see her fail, but it’s not happening, at least not yet!

Economic and Social status has EVERYTHING to do with how successful, especially professional in work/life.
It’s really who you know. Also, no idea why you like to always add blurbs on HOA/MR, it gets old and makes you look less open minded / wise to meaningful discussions or what anyone has to say.

In terms of dumbing materials, it really is based on the general level of the folks. In Asia, a lot of the kids do college level math, physics so if you just did the norm there, you’ll kick ass in college. I should know considering my ECON roommate knew how to do all my physics work which I struggled with from a lowly rated hs here.

[joec]

bg, I think what sdr is saying is that all the grade levels, even elementary school at a higher rated school will help at child at high school levels.

Your comments make you come off as just worry about hs and don’t worry about elemen/middle and I’m sure you don’t mean that neither, but the bottom line is if you can send them to higher rated schools with more resources, smarter/harder working and better kids, you’re “probably” be better off later in life.

You’re saying the rich, wealthy girls with the highest grades ends up with the sailor right out of HS, well, look at the % that will do that in the TOP TOP economic circles vs. the much LARGER amount that will in the lower circles.

As much as I hate the tiger mom, her kid is going to Yale I think and got into Harvard as well and is a concert pianist to boot. I’m sure many folks hope to see her fail, but it’s not happening, at least not yet!

Economic and Social status has EVERYTHING to do with how successful, especially professional in work/life.
It’s really who you know. Also, no idea why you like to always add blurbs on HOA/MR, it gets old and makes you look less open minded / wise to meaningful discussions or what anyone has to say.

In terms of dumbing materials, it really is based on the general level of the folks. In Asia, a lot of the kids do college level math, physics so if you just did the norm there, you’ll kick ass in college. I should know considering my ECON roommate knew how to do all my physics work which I struggled with from a lowly rated hs here.

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