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March 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM #360703March 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM #360129
Eugene
Participant[quote]You have stated that you don’t believe in the benefit of ethnicity as a consideration yet point at those ethnic considerations as an illustrative “red flag”.[/quote]
I did not say that. I said that you can’t be sure that a school is good, merely from looking at the racial profile. There are bad all-white schools and there are good hispanic schools (but the former are more common than the latter).
In essence, racial profile is a proxy for two factors that truly matter – parents’ socioeconomic status and education.
[quote]I don’t even see parent’s academic achievement as relevant. I think that anyone growing up in SF’s Chinatown in the 60’s would agree that motivated parents trump educated or monied parents. [/quote]
Motivated parents usually manage to finish college and make enough money to keep their families way above poverty level. And conversely, monied and educated parents are usually more motivated than welfare moms.
March 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM #360433Participant[quote]You have stated that you don’t believe in the benefit of ethnicity as a consideration yet point at those ethnic considerations as an illustrative “red flag”.[/quote]
I did not say that. I said that you can’t be sure that a school is good, merely from looking at the racial profile. There are bad all-white schools and there are good hispanic schools (but the former are more common than the latter).
In essence, racial profile is a proxy for two factors that truly matter – parents’ socioeconomic status and education.
[quote]I don’t even see parent’s academic achievement as relevant. I think that anyone growing up in SF’s Chinatown in the 60’s would agree that motivated parents trump educated or monied parents. [/quote]
Motivated parents usually manage to finish college and make enough money to keep their families way above poverty level. And conversely, monied and educated parents are usually more motivated than welfare moms.
March 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM #360577Participant[quote]You have stated that you don’t believe in the benefit of ethnicity as a consideration yet point at those ethnic considerations as an illustrative “red flag”.[/quote]
I did not say that. I said that you can’t be sure that a school is good, merely from looking at the racial profile. There are bad all-white schools and there are good hispanic schools (but the former are more common than the latter).
In essence, racial profile is a proxy for two factors that truly matter – parents’ socioeconomic status and education.
[quote]I don’t even see parent’s academic achievement as relevant. I think that anyone growing up in SF’s Chinatown in the 60’s would agree that motivated parents trump educated or monied parents. [/quote]
Motivated parents usually manage to finish college and make enough money to keep their families way above poverty level. And conversely, monied and educated parents are usually more motivated than welfare moms.
March 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM #360615Participant[quote]You have stated that you don’t believe in the benefit of ethnicity as a consideration yet point at those ethnic considerations as an illustrative “red flag”.[/quote]
I did not say that. I said that you can’t be sure that a school is good, merely from looking at the racial profile. There are bad all-white schools and there are good hispanic schools (but the former are more common than the latter).
In essence, racial profile is a proxy for two factors that truly matter – parents’ socioeconomic status and education.
[quote]I don’t even see parent’s academic achievement as relevant. I think that anyone growing up in SF’s Chinatown in the 60’s would agree that motivated parents trump educated or monied parents. [/quote]
Motivated parents usually manage to finish college and make enough money to keep their families way above poverty level. And conversely, monied and educated parents are usually more motivated than welfare moms.
March 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM #360723Participant[quote]You have stated that you don’t believe in the benefit of ethnicity as a consideration yet point at those ethnic considerations as an illustrative “red flag”.[/quote]
I did not say that. I said that you can’t be sure that a school is good, merely from looking at the racial profile. There are bad all-white schools and there are good hispanic schools (but the former are more common than the latter).
In essence, racial profile is a proxy for two factors that truly matter – parents’ socioeconomic status and education.
[quote]I don’t even see parent’s academic achievement as relevant. I think that anyone growing up in SF’s Chinatown in the 60’s would agree that motivated parents trump educated or monied parents. [/quote]
Motivated parents usually manage to finish college and make enough money to keep their families way above poverty level. And conversely, monied and educated parents are usually more motivated than welfare moms.
March 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM #360160urbanrealtor
ParticipantEsmith:
But again these are all proxies.The problem with using race as a proxy for status is that it is incomplete and obfuscating.
Similarly, using wealth or education as a proxy for motivation is obfuscating.
In the end, neither status nor motivation are the strongest proxy for scholastics.
Last I checked scholastics were the original thrust of your argument about area.
That is a valid thrust but building proxy upon proxy (ad nauseum) to make a point is dumb. By that same logic (or lack thereof), I should be afraid of being blown up by my Indian neighbor due to prevalence of Muslims (proxy 1) which are therefore terrorists (proxy 2) who want to kill Americans (proxy 3) and thus me.
That is utterly brain dead.
March 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM #360463ParticipantEsmith:
But again these are all proxies.The problem with using race as a proxy for status is that it is incomplete and obfuscating.
Similarly, using wealth or education as a proxy for motivation is obfuscating.
In the end, neither status nor motivation are the strongest proxy for scholastics.
Last I checked scholastics were the original thrust of your argument about area.
That is a valid thrust but building proxy upon proxy (ad nauseum) to make a point is dumb. By that same logic (or lack thereof), I should be afraid of being blown up by my Indian neighbor due to prevalence of Muslims (proxy 1) which are therefore terrorists (proxy 2) who want to kill Americans (proxy 3) and thus me.
That is utterly brain dead.
March 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM #360608ParticipantEsmith:
But again these are all proxies.The problem with using race as a proxy for status is that it is incomplete and obfuscating.
Similarly, using wealth or education as a proxy for motivation is obfuscating.
In the end, neither status nor motivation are the strongest proxy for scholastics.
Last I checked scholastics were the original thrust of your argument about area.
That is a valid thrust but building proxy upon proxy (ad nauseum) to make a point is dumb. By that same logic (or lack thereof), I should be afraid of being blown up by my Indian neighbor due to prevalence of Muslims (proxy 1) which are therefore terrorists (proxy 2) who want to kill Americans (proxy 3) and thus me.
That is utterly brain dead.
March 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM #360645ParticipantEsmith:
But again these are all proxies.The problem with using race as a proxy for status is that it is incomplete and obfuscating.
Similarly, using wealth or education as a proxy for motivation is obfuscating.
In the end, neither status nor motivation are the strongest proxy for scholastics.
Last I checked scholastics were the original thrust of your argument about area.
That is a valid thrust but building proxy upon proxy (ad nauseum) to make a point is dumb. By that same logic (or lack thereof), I should be afraid of being blown up by my Indian neighbor due to prevalence of Muslims (proxy 1) which are therefore terrorists (proxy 2) who want to kill Americans (proxy 3) and thus me.
That is utterly brain dead.
March 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM #360753ParticipantEsmith:
But again these are all proxies.The problem with using race as a proxy for status is that it is incomplete and obfuscating.
Similarly, using wealth or education as a proxy for motivation is obfuscating.
In the end, neither status nor motivation are the strongest proxy for scholastics.
Last I checked scholastics were the original thrust of your argument about area.
That is a valid thrust but building proxy upon proxy (ad nauseum) to make a point is dumb. By that same logic (or lack thereof), I should be afraid of being blown up by my Indian neighbor due to prevalence of Muslims (proxy 1) which are therefore terrorists (proxy 2) who want to kill Americans (proxy 3) and thus me.
That is utterly brain dead.
March 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM #360439patientrenter
ParticipantLOL! esmith and urbanrealtor: you are talking at cross-purposes. esmith says when he can’t get good stats on scholastics, but can get good stats on variables that are correlated with scholastics, he uses the other variables to estimate the scholastics.
urbanrealtor reads that esmith says that if you’re black or hispanic, or your parents are unschooled, then you’ll disrupt your schoolmates’ education. Challenges esmith to withdraw comment or be tattooed as “white male racist bigot” – and a suspected Republican to boot!
One of you needs to teach what correlation means, and the other needs to learn what it means. Good luck!
March 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM #360742ParticipantLOL! esmith and urbanrealtor: you are talking at cross-purposes. esmith says when he can’t get good stats on scholastics, but can get good stats on variables that are correlated with scholastics, he uses the other variables to estimate the scholastics.
urbanrealtor reads that esmith says that if you’re black or hispanic, or your parents are unschooled, then you’ll disrupt your schoolmates’ education. Challenges esmith to withdraw comment or be tattooed as “white male racist bigot” – and a suspected Republican to boot!
One of you needs to teach what correlation means, and the other needs to learn what it means. Good luck!
March 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM #360885ParticipantLOL! esmith and urbanrealtor: you are talking at cross-purposes. esmith says when he can’t get good stats on scholastics, but can get good stats on variables that are correlated with scholastics, he uses the other variables to estimate the scholastics.
urbanrealtor reads that esmith says that if you’re black or hispanic, or your parents are unschooled, then you’ll disrupt your schoolmates’ education. Challenges esmith to withdraw comment or be tattooed as “white male racist bigot” – and a suspected Republican to boot!
One of you needs to teach what correlation means, and the other needs to learn what it means. Good luck!
March 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM #360924ParticipantLOL! esmith and urbanrealtor: you are talking at cross-purposes. esmith says when he can’t get good stats on scholastics, but can get good stats on variables that are correlated with scholastics, he uses the other variables to estimate the scholastics.
urbanrealtor reads that esmith says that if you’re black or hispanic, or your parents are unschooled, then you’ll disrupt your schoolmates’ education. Challenges esmith to withdraw comment or be tattooed as “white male racist bigot” – and a suspected Republican to boot!
One of you needs to teach what correlation means, and the other needs to learn what it means. Good luck!
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