[quote=zk]
Put down your misogyny-tinted glasses and then read scaredy’s posts again. What scaredy said was that he was neurotic, and that he didn’t want to create another generation of neurotic men. What he said in reference to females was:
“Is this intrinsic to men or is the above description the result of the last generation of mothers screwing with their sons heads. “
And when he said “this,” he was referring to your description of what made a man a good friend to other men. And part of his point was that women can’t understand what makes a man a good friend to another man, and that they should stay out of the discussion. And that those moms (and maybe our culture) shouldn’t be trying to feminize men. Not because there’s anything wrong with women. But because there’s nothing wrong with men being men.[/quote]
Right here, you’re repeating the statement (via your explanation of scaredy’s post) that “women can’t understand what makes a man a good friend tto another man, and that they should stay out of the discussion.”
Based on this post, and the other one I just quoted above, it seems as though you are agreeing with this sentiment.
If you follow your logic, then men can’t understand what women think or feel (about feminism or misogyny), either; therefore, they should stay out of the discussion.
Would you agree with that? Or do you believe that men have the ability to understand everything, whereas women only understand “girl things” and should refrain from any discussions about men and their feelings or perceptions of things?
And I would argue that some men do indeed understand sexism and misogyny, but there is a range of understanding, among both men and women, regarding these ideas. See, the world is not black and white, no matter how desperately you try to frame things that way.
BTW, the terms “sexism” and “misogyny” are often used interchangeably these days because the definition of the term “hate” has been broadened to include exaggerating differences between two groups or attempts to segregate people based on these differences (i.e.: speaking out against illegal immigration, even if for economic reasons, is called “hate speech,” speaking about the differences between black people and white people is also considered “hate speech,” etc.)
But I do dislike they way that these stronger terms have been broadened, so I acquiesced to your suggestion that some of these examples that I cited might not be misogynistic, but sexist instead. That’s why I started to include both terms. Both sexism and misogyny are unacceptable to me.
