The disintegration of this thread is a perfect illustration of how the introduction of religion into an issue, be it politics, economics or medical ethics, can cause instant chaos, and intellectual paralysis. That is exactly why it works to control us. The powerful just walk away with the spoils while all the sheeple are screaming at each other pounding on each other, shooting each other. Racial issues work the same way. Forget about real problem solving. I think Piggington is a great place for this thread!