[quote=svelte][quote=6packscaredy]if you see all of life in society as combat, struggle and conflict, with winners, and losers, havign universal health care just seems like a pussy way out, like, everyone wins and gets to get health care.
wouldn’t it be more american, more capitalist, to let people fight it out in the marketplace, and the winners in the top 20% say of income can get really amazing care, and the middle people can get a little bit of care, and the bottom gets nothing, not one lousy thingnot even a bandaid…because they lose. they lost.
isn’t that at least a reasonable position to take?
how are we going to motivate people to win if we keep losers alive? people will just loll about and eat govt cheese and get govt bypasses….[/quote]
Wow.
I don’t even know where to begin on that position.
Being poor is not equivalent to being a loser. I know a lot of caring people who contribute a LOT to our society who don’t make much money. And many of them have historically went without healthcare. One example: day care workers.
My wife and I started out with nothing and spent many years sans insurance because quite frankly it was either insurance or eating. And I know what we chose. We were fortunate and made it through to the years where we want for nothing.
Having as many members of the public healthy as possible brings the entire country up: financially, physically, and morally.
If that isn’t self-evident I’m not sure what to say.[/quote]
doesnt our society measure success only bye money?
