[quote=spdrun]You didn’t hear horror stories of people unable to get into required courses and graduating in 4.5 or 5 years 20 years ago. Nor were tuition rates as high as now, even adjusted for inflation and incomes.
As far as other good state university systems: U Va., U Mich., Rutgers (medical college Medicare scandal notwithstanding), U Md., U. Illinois (UIUC in particular) …[/quote]
The only reason you didn’t hear about students not getting required courses 20 years ago is that you were 12. I heard about those issues 40 years ago when I was in college, though it was never as bad at the UC’s as it was at the Cal State U system.
The UC’s are not the only good public schools. Naming a handful of other good schools doesn’t really prove anything.