[quote=phaster][quote=The-Shoveler]If I remember the last time this came up in CA.
Agriculture is 80 percent of water use in California, I think it is likely the same in AZ and UT.
iMO it is not really so much about housing/industrial growth etc… but more about how we are going to grow food and what we eat in the future, housing growth is really a non-issue but it makes great headlines LOL.
I really don’t want to get into the whole climate change debate. but it is largely the same, it is popular to blame it on cars/suburbia etc.. but in reality cargo ships and Agriculture emit far more. If you to want to realty help, stop buying so much crap from Costco LOL.
It is almost pointless IMO, for every ton of greenhouse gas the USA removes, China, Africa and India probably add about three.[/quote]
people have no idea how bad things can get
the way I see things its like being aware of covid (back in January 2020 pre-lockdown here in the USA),… I say this because scientific data indicates in the last thousand years, there have been mega-drought periods in the southwestern USA that lasted a hundred years or more
fact is what people consider normal (i.e. the past 150 years or so) was actually the perfect climate conditions which allowed populations to grow and the economy to prosper
[quote] The most recent one is happening right now. It’s gripping a wide swath of the southwestern United States and northern Mexico, and it’s been ongoing since around 2000.
“We now have enough observations of current drought and tree-ring records of past drought to say that we’re on the same trajectory as the worst prehistoric droughts,…”
looking a bit deeper, we see the southwestern USA can be in drought conditions for thousands of years!!!
[quote] …geochemical data from Leviathan Cave shows that drought can last 4,000 years—findings that Lachniet’s team cross-checked against paleoclimate data from the Arctic and tropical Pacific. In short, the story in the cave data suggests a “worst-case scenario” that could—and probably should—guide planning throughout a region that provides water to 56 million people.
PS climate change needs to be discussed,… this is because monthly average CO2 levels were 419 PPM and the last line in the post article about CO2 level measurement (started here in the San Diego area specifically @SIO) stated,… “the longer we wait, the harder it gets”
thought I’d point out CO2 measurements because sadly 99.9999% of people don’t have the brains (and “cajones”) to consider the lessons of “error chain” analysis (like what happens in aviation accident investigations to prevent future accidents)
simple truth is without a dramatic change in outlook by 99.9999% of people, IMHO climate change is the great filter test (of fermi’s paradox) that humanity is going to have difficulty passing
