L Thek, your last post is hilariously hypocritical. You argue that a poor argument supported by silly words is not an argument. And than you make a poor argument supported by silly words. You call yourself civil and others rude, and then you act rude. You completely ignore deadzone’s comments on what the democrats were actually voting for. Instead of responding to dz’s statements, you call him names (silly, rude, immature, fanatic). How immature, silly and rude is that? I’d be interested to hear some reasoned, logical counterpoints to what dz said. Have you got any?