[quote=KIBU][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] My point, which bears repeating as it is actually supported by real evidence, is that for every isolated Santa Monica-type shooting (and, yes, statistically speaking, they are isolated), there are thousands of instances where firearms (not just HANDGUNS) are used to protect life and property.[/quote]
So is the problem an “isolated” problem? Does a minority of data just automatically mean it’s “isolated” ?
Describe what you mean by “yes we have a problem” ?
Until the pro-guns accepts that this country
have a serious problem with guns, their asking of solution are just games. How can you have a solution to a non-problem??? Logic 101 right?[/quote]
KIBU: You’re too much. I don’t know what a “minority of data” are, but I’m presuming you mean when a small dataset (as a subset of a much larger dataset) is referenced, then, yes, it is isolated in the sense that it’s not the larger, and thus more prevalent, dataset.
In this case, mass killing using an assault rifle, is isolated. Gun deaths from other causes are far more prevalent. The FBI maintains annual statistics on gun deaths and causes, please feel free to look it up (in other words, don’t take my pro-gun word for it).
You titled this thread “Chaos”. The definition of chaos is “utter confusion or disorder”. Taking that definition and the referenced event (the Santa Monica shootings), one can likely infer that you believe that this shooting represents some sort of societal breakdown.
However, the statistics (as per the FBI) simply don’t bear this out. Gun related crime has been in steady decline (see FBI Uniform Crime statistics and CDC reportage) and gun-related homicides mirror the decline referenced above.
So, if I put my Logic 101 hat on and review the actual data, I find that the use of the word “Chaos” is spurious and hyperbolic and not at all consistent with the data and evidence.
Now, being completely logical and juxtaposing this with your persistent and consistent unwillingness to give a straight answer and instead duck, bob and weave in order to avoid doing so, one is left with the presumption that this is nothing other than a political agenda at work, masked by “concern” over the gun “problem” (as you define it).
