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Ok come on zk. Lighten up…No rich or poor or middle class or whatever people got hurt last night…
And sorry, where in my joke did I mention anything about Watts and race?
Why do people like to turn every ribbing of a joke about something they don’t like to hear into race?
Last time I checked being “lazy” was a race and gender neutral thing.
Where does something unrelated race get dragged into a race issue? Or are you starting to generalize about people of certain races?????
Are people starting to ban jokes as well as guns now?
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Being asian myself, I think the point zk was making and what I got from reading it is that success in people’s lives have more to do with their environment and “luck” than from working hard or anything about that person to begin with. Going to a better school, being raised in CA and silicon valley, LA, etc. vs. some mid-west town where everyone married their high school sweetheart instead of going to college is a far better predictor of success than IQ tests and all that.
Based on everything I’ve learned in life so far, I’m a far bigger believer in this myself as well.
I don’t see any racial slam in zk’s message at all and didn’t get feel that was his point neither.
I feel this way because having worked in SV in the bay area and having some success with companies/start ups and IPOs, money, etc and moving to other fields and seeing what “real people” make for income/etc…and having been laid off in the past as well, until you see it yourself, people tend to generalize and have that attitude about everyone being “lazy” “bum” etc…
The point about the Watts black kid being just as smart as the CV asian kid has been proven in studies where they put economically challenged kids in a more nurturing structured environment and they do just as well as the wealthy kid.
It really has to do with their perception of what’s possible, what they experience, see, etc…This is why you have people say they want all kids to get government day care, etc…
That’s not something I’d support since we don’t have the money for it, but at birth, someone starts off way ahead in life based on the luck of what family they are born in.
I don’t doubt that if I was born from a low class family, I would certainly have done a ton worst in terms of financial and economic success. Main thing I see is I don’t really feel that driven compared to people you see from foreign countries such as India/Asia since their lives are a lot worst. I see this in TONS of native US born Americans as well. OF COURSE, THIS IS NOT EVERYONE, but the whole attitude is very different with the whining, etc in work compared to just sucking it up.
That said, eventually, the CV kid will eventually revert to the norm of the typical American and be of mediocre success.
Sorta like with EVERY, literally Asian friend/famiy I know, I see the parents helping them with their home downpayment in EVERY instance (I didn’t get that though)…It allows them to keep them in the better schools and repeat the success cycle of life. And we’re taking to the tune of 250k – 1 mil in housing purchases here…
I haven’t read this book yet, but been meaning to read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell
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There is a story that is usually told about extremely successful people, a story that focuses on intelligence and ambition. Gladwell argues that the true story of success is very different, and that if we want to understand how some people thrive, we should spend more time looking around them-at such things as their family, their birthplace, or even their birth date. And in revealing that hidden logic, Gladwell presents a fascinating and provocative blueprint for making the most of human potential.
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I agree part luck. The other half is effort.
Why do people keep bringing race into this thing?
Joec, why do you have to say “as an asian myself”?
Sorry, I don’t care of you’re blue it wouldn’t make a difference.
It was a frickin joke. Jesus f..ing Christ.
There… I’m not a conservative bible humper afterall.
I’m entitled to my opinion. Everyone else, you’re entitled to yours. Last time I check opinions and jokes are still protected under the Constitution, what’s left of it at least.
Look, if people what to actually do something about the poor and unemployed. Then get off your fvcking ass and go volunteer your free time and do something about it. Work hours and hours rewriting someone’s fvcking resume and cover letter, or write it for them because they don’t know that one needs to be done. And then go through a few rounds of mock interviews with them so they have a better chance at a limited job. And then IF you have free time, volunteer at your public schools for the kids that need extra help, that is even if you send your kids to a public school….
You folks are right. There are plenty of people hungry for work and deserve a shot at opportunity. Not the ones that just sit on their ass all day just saying “we should tax people more, you go do it please..”
Not that people’s taxes are really going up *that* much. Considering this administration just like the previous administration is basically rewarding the rich and well off ANYWAY with low interest loans that only well qualified people can get, and re-inflating dirt cheap assets from 2009 all the way back up to pre-bubble levels now in 2013. So contrary, to opinions, I think things are going just swell, not that I’m a big proponent of what everyone else seems to want…
