[quote=dumbrenter]If you thought it through, how exactly are you going to sort legal vs illegal kids? And are you going to deny primary education if they refuse to pay? Which brings us back to my original question.
It is you who is judgmental. The elderly who become permanent residents do not have any requirement to learn English. A little bit of research and comprehension on your part would have helped. And “Hell, they are here and successfully applied for permanent residence so they qualify to pay for it.” means jack. It only shows that you will not be bothered to address how you separate them from the rest. The fact that they are living in multi-million dollar homes means nothing to what is being discussed here. Not sure why you would even bring it up unless you are anti-rich or simply jealous.
And by the way, the “I know somebody” personal anecdotes on online fora are a sure indication of lying and refusal to accept facts. Couple that with you bringing in “ideology” and accusing me of “greater good” when I only pointed out the consequences of what you were advocating shows that it is not fiscal issues anything you are concerned about.
You just want a forum to rant on. Keep on.
[quote=flu] No one is saying their services shouldn’t be denied. What I’m saying is they should pay for it..It shouldn’t be subsidized. An yes, I did think through my response. Dollarswise… You offer something for “free” the system is an open door..More people take advantage of it…Who wouldn’t….Those asian elderly can afford to pay for it. Hell, they are here and successfully applied for permanent residence so they qualify to pay for it. Most of them live in side their kid’s multi-million dollar homes. Do you really think they cannot afford to pay for this?
Did you think about that one…Schools are letting our students go, are class sizes are going up, despite prop 30, we’re still going to have a budget crisis in our schools…And you think it’s ok, at the expense of kids, to offer “free” these free classes (especially when people can afford to pay for it)…Really??? wow…. Talk about thinking before speaking/writing…
Here’s something else you probably don’t know…
In the UC schools in the past, in just takes 4 students interests for a class to be offered. Some of the course offerings include such things like Ancient Asian Soap Opera History that one of my friend’s mom taught more/or less part time (and enjoyed full health benefits and subsequent residual payments) after doing it for 3-4 years…These things are also a cost.. Maybe 1 class here at one university isn’t a big deal.. But multiple that with the total number of UC schools that probably does the same thing, the CalState schools that do the same thing, and all the local community colleges that do the same thing…Tell me that these courses will lead to are absolutely necessary…
Before you get all judgmental. Why don’t you do some digging on what really happens, instead of being wrapped up in ideology of “greater good”.
If someone on the street is handing out free iPhones,toys..Of course people are gonna take it…Even people who don’t like apple products….
I guarantee you. If these “free” courses were just offered with a $30 fee. You suddenly would have a huge drop off in enrollment. Not that people can’t “afford” the classes. But the prevailing attitude is “heck, it’s free. I don’t really want to go..But it’s free”
Again, not saying things need to be completely eliminated. But come on, there’s a crapload of pork…And no one is addressing the pork…
Completely dumbfounded by the astonishing sense of entitlement that people have these days….So much for the “fake” fiscal responsibility as claimed by some folks here on piggs…[/quote][/quote]
[quote]It is you who is judgmental. The elderly who become permanent residents do not have any requirement to learn English. A little bit of research and comprehension on your part would have helped. And “Hell, they are here and successfully applied for permanent residence so they qualify to pay for it.” means jack. It only shows that you will not be bothered to address how you separate them from the rest. The fact that they are living in multi-million dollar homes means nothing to what is being discussed here. Not sure why you would even bring it up unless you are anti-rich or simply jealous.
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DR…From experience. When you apply for PR for your relative, part of the application, you need provide proof of financial support for said applicant.. Therefore, unless one lies, the expectation is that said relative applicants can be supported when they are here, at least for the first few years…Obviously you don’t know, because you haven’t done it… (Maybe I’m wrong…. But it seems to be you are the one that is lacking in experience in how things go.. Did you apply for PR for your relative)?
That said, at least in CarmelV, people aren’t poor.
Where the hell did you think I was saying these people need to take an English class. You must have drunken too many beers. I was saying IF people want to take classes, they should pay for it. Because it costs state/local money to offer these for free.
Because free leads to abuse..
You’re conveniently leaving out those parts…
You keep taking the stance that it’s necessary to offer these classes and to offer then for free.
You keep equating necessary with free. I’m refuting your claim they need to be free. People in Carmel V aren’t living in poverty…The state is…Poor people shouldn’t have to pay for others. The state is poor…People in Carmel Valley aren’t..Public money spent on this in areas where the community clearly is affluent means dollars than can’t go to inner city schools and people who really need financial assistance..Things like this is why are budgets are so out of whack..No amount of taxes are going to solve the budget shortfall waste is not cut..
People like you keep equating ‘opportunity’ to ‘free’….It costs money. Someone has to pay. Why don’t you? Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and make a donation the local school. You aren’t poor.. You made >8% on equity investments…You have money now…What don’t you make a contribution to the local elementary schools that need new supplies, technology and computers…
I have…Many many many times…Even before I had a kid… Did you?….It’s not that you can’t. You won’t…Nope… Didn’t think so… Beer is better investment, yeah I got that…
Figures.
PS.. “I know somebody”… Means that… I walk with a lot of these people in all the parks all the day in Carmel V… I “know somebody means” I am friends with people with relatives that do just that..Even pick up the mail to confirm. If fact, I can’t think of many people who don’t take advantage of the system who can..
The one senior elderly that I enjoy talking to when I’m in the park who is a retired doctor is the one that one time totally screamed at the other 20 or so senior citizens.. Basically screamed at the others for milking the system when they basically were bragging about it…
