Your the one that is ignorant. Your ingnorant because you did not read what I said. I never said that teachers aren’t hard working. Never. I said that the ones I knew worked 40 plus.
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No.
I did read it.
My dispute with you was about academics.
The hours per week part was not meant for you specifically.
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I have worked in the education field albiet not as a certified teacher. I have worked on the Pima Indian reservation in Arizona until the casino was put on the reservation they were all dirt poor. I work there before the Casino when it was still dangerous for white people to even be on the Res (admittedly I was not viewed as white due to deep tan from working construction and long black hair… Yes Im a dude). We use to entice them into studying by feeding the poor kids. So yes I do know what the stress level can be of a teacher tutoring impovrised kids from broken homes. For god sakes I tutored the Osif Childern whose parents chopped up the mail-lady in Dec of 84’and sparked the largest FBI manhunt of the time. Those kids were screwed up. BUT stress levels and academics are not the same and not interchangable subjects.
CE[/quote]
And being a tutor for a brief period for poor kids is not the same as a career in it. Not interchangeable as experiences.
But I feel your deep condescending sympathy and it makes me all gooey.
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I stated that the two are not equal that is all.
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Thats because you are comparing apples to bowling balls. The skills required for teaching are an academic area of study. Basically what you should have said is that engineers learn way more engineering that teachers. Then it would have been at least been right (but still sounded as retarded as it ended up). [quote=CDMA ENG]
I have also been a math and science tutor in college and had many teachers as students. Many of them I wouldn’t let teach my dog. So yes there is a mixed bag of them and their renumeration should be reflected by thier talent. And yes I have meet many engineers that couldn’t think thier way out of a wet paper bag and are over paid for the services they preform… I wish we could eliminate all of them from the industries.
Are you an engineer? If you have been I may take your arguement more chartably.
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Nope.
You should address the argument and stop being whiny. Also, spell check.
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If not you can’t not know the stress of the circulm and therefore the pride in doing it. I never met anyone who dropped into the engineering circulm that wasn’t already hard science majors so I dispute your arguement that teachers drop into engineering cause they find it easy. My college sweet heart was in teaching… Guess who use to help write her papers? So there again I am familar with the subject matter.
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Okay I should clarify that because I think it got mangled coming out.
Lots of people in teaching have engineering degrees.
People who are more interested in the science part and unable to deal with the student-focus that is inherent in pedagogy often change careers accordingly. Lots of people were teachers for a brief period.
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I knew plenty of engineering non-hackers that dropped into business and others. Some of them much smarter than me but couldn’t handle the stress or the work load. Also while in school, engineering and hard sciences is far more difficult and stressful than teaching. The proffesor, literally, have a code of weeding out all non-hackers (maybe nursing and med school). What other circulms are there were the teachers are trying to fail you (ever scored 14 out of 100 on exam and still got a B)? Usually that is why we have an ego coming out of school. We made it through a program that few attempted and even fewer made it out of.
CE[/quote] Ahh so the argument here is that you are entitled to act like a dick.
I just thought you were a dick.
My mistake.
As somebody who has set the curve with a below 30% score (I did go to UCSD) yeah I have an idea what going to a tough school is like.
It does not make you (or me) special.
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Once you get out of school it is only the stress level that changes. Teaching is more stressful in the work place. Good teachers deserve more pay.
Of course I know at least one engineer that would laugh at that. He worked at Intel which is a meat grinder and later became a HS math teacher. He would gladly tell you which one he prefers for stress.
As for the stats I challenge you. Why do I need to show stats to repudiate my own arguement especially when you did not read my arguement correctly the first time?
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I did read it.
Watching you spin out of control in anger is pretty funny though.
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I have been on both sides of the fence. What about you? I have formed an opinion based on those experiences and what I have observed working within both. I think that make me a little less ignorant than you.
Regards,
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Right. You strike me as the epitome of open-mindedness.
