[quote=CA renter]
[quote=zk]
Put down your misogyny-tinted glasses and then read scaredy’s posts again. What scaredy said was that he was neurotic, and that he didn’t want to create another generation of neurotic men. What he said in reference to females was:
“Is this intrinsic to men or is the above description the result of the last generation of mothers screwing with their sons heads. “
And when he said “this,” he was referring to your description of what made a man a good friend to other men. And part of his point was that women can’t understand what makes a man a good friend to another man, and that they should stay out of the discussion. And that those moms (and maybe our culture) shouldn’t be trying to feminize men. Not because there’s anything wrong with women. But because there’s nothing wrong with men being men.[/quote]
Right here, you’re repeating the statement (via your explanation of scaredy’s post) that “women can’t understand what makes a man a good friend tto another man, and that they should stay out of the discussion.”
Based on this post, and the other one I just quoted above, it seems as though you are agreeing with this sentiment.
If you follow your logic, then men can’t understand what women think or feel (about feminism or misogyny), either; therefore, they should stay out of the discussion.
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If you follow my logic, you’ll come to the conclusion that a man cannot understand what misogyny feels like to a woman, and should therefore stay out of the discussion of what misogyny feels like to a woman. Just like a woman should stay out of the discussion of how one man’s behavior feels to another man. And you’d never find me professing to know what misogyny feels like to a woman.
Just because one doesn’t understand what it feels like to be a victim of misogyny doesn’t mean that one can’t understand the causes, manifestations, and outward effects of misogyny.
In fact, I would say understanding what misogyny feels like is not even the most important part of understanding and preventing misogyny. The most important part, it seems to me, would be understanding exactly what turns people into misogynists. Knowing what it feels like to be raped is not the most important part of understanding and preventing rape. Knowing what it feels like to be stabbed isn’t the most important part of understanding and preventing knife attacks. Knowing what it feels like to be robbed at gunpoint isn’t the most important part of understanding and preventing armed robbery. Etc.
Misogyny is not in the eye of the beholder. Misogyny is in the heart of the misogynist. So if anyone really understands misogyny, it would be men (or women) who hate women.
[quote=CA renter]
And I would argue that some men do indeed understand sexism and misogyny, but there is a range of understanding, among both men and women, regarding these ideas. See, the world is not black and white, no matter how desperately you try to frame things that way.
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Not sure why you think I see things in black and white. Quite the opposite, when it comes to people. Nonetheless, when debating, I use evidence, logic, and reason. That’s not the same as seeing/framing things in black and white.
