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Finally have time to deal with this precious nugget of yours, ZK. The only “point” you’ve made is that my experiences with sexism/misogyny are “imagined” because I’ve experienced sexism/misogyny at an early age.
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First of all, that’s not even the point I made. You make it sound like I’m saying that all of your experiences with misogyny (I didn’t even bring up sexism, you did) are imagined. What I said was that your “experience” that parents and teachers are trying to segregate the genders, and that in every single case it’s because they’re afraid that exposing boys to girls will feminize boys is imagined.
Second, that’s not nearly the only point I’ve made. As you can see, I consistently address each of your points. You ignore half of mine. You can say I didn’t make a point, but if you have no rebuttal to most of the points I’ve made, then the claim that I haven’t made a point is empty.
[quote=CA renter]
You claim that you know more than I do about whether or not a behavior or action is sexist or misogynistic, even though you (presumably) haven’t spent a single day of your life as a female.
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Show me where I said that I know more than you, in general, about whether a behavior or action is sexist or misogynist.
Again, you’ve misrepresented my position and argued against the position that you made up.
[quote=CA renter]
And wasn’t it you who shared a personal tidbit which BG grabbed with both hands and started to use against you throughout a thread? I believe she contorted your words and said you had “issues” in a lame attempt to discredit what you were saying, just like you’ve done here. As I recall, you weren’t very happy about it, yet you’re doing precisely the same thing on this thread via your ad hominem attack on me instead of discussing the **very real** issues I bring up (no, nothing has been “made up” or “imagined”).
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I was disgusted with BG because she claimed I had said things that I hadn’t said. Just like I’m disgusted with you for consistently misrepresenting my positions.
I don’t consider putting forth my theory that the reason you sometimes see misogyny where there isn’t any as being due to your upbringing as an ad hominem attack. It’s a very reasonable attempt to shed some light on why you would see these things where they don’t exist.
If you think that’s an ad hominem attack, I strongly disagree. If you think I’ve made some other ad hominem attack, you’ll have to point it out. And, when you can’t find it, stop accusing me of making ad hominem attacks.
Not that I really care, because it only shows the weakness of your arguments, but you called me “naïve” (based on a position that you’d made up for me, and not anything I said) and “blindfolded” (with no evidence to back it up). For you to accuse me of making ad hominem attacks is ridiculous.
[quote=CA renter]
Based on your logic, if a gay man experienced homophobia during childhood, even from his parents, he is rendered less capable of accurately identifying homophobic beliefs, behaviors, and remarks than someone who is not gay. Does this make any sense to you? Would you really dare to say that to a gay man?
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I think it’s entirely possible that a gay man who experienced disgust from his parents about his sexual orientation would occasionally see homophobia where there isn’t any. (Which is what my logic would say, and not that he would be rendered generally less capable of identifying homophobic beliefs, behaviors, and remarks.) And that makes perfect sense to me. And yes, I would absolutely say that to a gay man who I thought was seeing homophobia where there wasn’t any (assuming he was either a close friend or a stranger who brought it up on a web forum).
[quote=CA renter]
Let’s take an example of a mixed-race man (black-white) whose white mother told him throughout his childhood that she would have preferred that he were white. Would he be less capable of accurately identifying racist beliefs, behaviors, and remarks than someone who is 100% white? Would you dare to announce your superior “racism-spotting” skills to him?
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The question is, would he occasionally see racism where there wasn’t any? And the answer depends on other factors in addition those described in the scenario. But, yes, I think that a fair percentage of people raised in that scenario would see racism where there wasn’t any. But just because I think he occasionally sees racism where there isn’t any doesn’t necessarily mean that I think I have superior race-spotting skills in general.
[quote=CA renter]
Please answer honestly and explain why you think you would know more about racism or homophobia than they would.
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I never said I would know more than them.
I’m really curious whether you truly misunderstand my positions, or you purposely misrepresent them. Can you shed some light on that?
[quote=CA renter]
he has only made ad hominem attacks without addressing the issues I’ve brought up (just says that I must have “imagined” them). If anyone is arguing based on feelings, it is ZK.
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Wow. Not addressing the issues you’ve brought up? All I’ve done, this whole thread, is, point-by-point, address the issues you’ve brought up and the attempts at points that you’ve made. I’m practically Mr. Spock here. Each of your points is countered with logical counterarguments. Each misrepresentation of my position is corrected. Your use of violent words (shove, rip), your consistent inability to clearly read what I’m writing (or your purposeful misrepresentation of my position), and your contention that I’ve made no “points” despite your not being able to effectively counter any of the points I’ve made, suggest far more emotion on your part than anything I’ve displayed.
