briansd1 wrote:harvey

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=harvey]
They expect their president to get them terrorists, and wouldn’t respect one who didn’t.

It’s not about facts, it’s about perception.

A perception created mostly by the conservative media machine – THE force in American politics today.[/quote]

That is so true.

In fact, the conservative media machine doesn’t care one bit about civil liberties.

Case in point: SB1070, the Arizona immigration law, and similar laws. Voter ID laws, etc…

Republicans tend to argue that “if you have nothing to hide, what’s the big deal with being asked your ID?”

About terrorists, the frequent answer is “nuke ’em all, everything else is collateral damage.”[/quote]

Brian: Boy, talk about an echo chamber, combined with confirmation bias.

Here’s an interesting article from The Daily Beast (the center-left publication) regarding US covert activities in Somalia: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/24/obama-s-not-so-secret-terror-war.html

If it smells a little like Reagan’s shenanigans in Central America during the 1980s, it’s because it’s essentially using the same blueprint.

What you absolutely fail to address is the FACT that Obama is not only continuing the lamentable policies of George W. Bush (which he actively campaigned AGAINST), but he is expanding/amplifying covert operations, including programs that actively violate US restrictions on same.

Your response has been to ignore these facts and instead attempt to deflect attention by arguing somehow that shredding the Constitution is necessary to fight terrorism. Granted, while shabby, this “defense” isn’t nearly as howlingly funny and moronic as blaming Fox News and Roger Ailes (that IS a new one, in terms of sententious credulity).

I have never ONCE heard you even admit that Obama is following the policies of his predecessor, policies that you justifiably pilloried (when committed by Dubya), but are now silent on.

You castigate conservatives for their attitude on terror, but have nothing to say about liberals blindly following the same policies you’re attacking conservatives for. Wow. If that isn’t completely contorted logic, I don’t know what is.