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flu, I have a problem with the influx of foreign students being admitted to UC and CSU campuses (but mostly UC). In addition, BOTH UC and CSU admit a LOT of out-of-state students. Why? Because these students pay nearly triple the fees that in-state students do, and, after ten fee hikes since 2005, CSU is supposedly “broke.”
UC and CSU were created and set up to serve primarily native Californians and/or in-state-resident students. It is currently very difficult for mid-B and high-B-average HS grads to get accepted to a CA university as a freshman, due to all these “foreign” students taking their slots. Due to concurrent budget cuts, if all these “B” CA HS grads still won’t be able to get accepted into a major program of study (as a junior) at a UC/CSU campus (after completing GE’s at a “community college”), their only hope for finishing college is either private school (exorbitantly-priced Univ of Phoenix, for example) or leave the state and either pay out-of-state tuition there or take a break from school and work there for at least a year to establish residency before enrolling as a junior. The vast majority of CA families can’t afford out-of-state tuition, ESP if they will have more than one child attending college.
This situation is a bunch of BS, IMO. The “bar” is now ridiculously high for admission to many CA public university campuses. The avg CSU campus now wants a 3.91 HS GPA for an entering freshman!
A high school grad with a 3.5 to 3.75 GPA was not a “bad student.” I feel a “qualified” CA HS grad who attended all 13 years of their public school in CA “deserves” to be admitted to a university in their home state.
“Qualified” does not necessarily mean only 4.77 GPA HS grads (with multiple HS AP credits).
I don’t feel CA universities “owe” admission slots to foreigners and out-of-state students at the expense of deserving in-state students being admitted, whilst their parents are paying taxes to run these institutions. It is WRONG and other states realize the importance of giving their “own” HS grad-residents admission priority.
Even SUHSD’s well-known “Compact for Success” program was eliminated (guaranteed freshman admission to SDSU upon a 3.3 graduating GPA).
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Welcome to the real world. When resources are scarce, this is such a thing as “competition”.
Whether it’s performance or financial capacity to pay for an education etc…And whether you like it or not, that’s how increasing the world is becoming in every aspect of your life.
Let’s put this in perspective…If people in state are willing to pay a lot more for the tuition, they wouldn’t need to recruit so many people from out of state to pay for education short. But obviously, people aren’t willing to do that. Meanwhile, the state have a severe budget crisis because of the plethora of social entitlement programs and general mismanagement, and yet when anyone is asked to take a cut, everyone who enjoys those benefits immediately will aren’t willing to give it up (from unemployment benefits, welfare, pensions, you name it)….Then, there’s the proposal to raise state taxes, which obviously taxpayers aren’t willing to do…So what is the state suppose to do? Everyone wants to have everything they way it was before, when there was funny money, not realizing everything was bought on credit. Now credit is due, and no one can pay, yet no one is willing to pay more.
*Are you willing to pay more for your kids education so that the school doesn’t need to recruit out of state more?
*Are you willing to give up your state/federal funded pension?
*Are you willing to pay more taxes to support the bloated CA budget?
So naturally, CA is going turn to people who can afford to pay…And apparently, that is people who are overseas who can afford to pay…
Be thankful that at least the schools have at least some academic standard before it admits people…Be thankful that you’re not asian and your kids aren’t asian, because as unfair as you really think it is, it’s not nearly as bad as asians in this country have had to put up with this sort of bullshit crap in admissions policies in which there are quotas against asians for admissions into a lot of the programs, now even more so because those limited slots that were available to asian americans are not going to foreign asians who can pay out of state tuitions. The rest of you not subject to these ridiculous quota rules have not nearly as many reasons to complain about this predicament as a lot of other people with anti-quotas have…
Sorry, you have a problem with people that are overachievers. I’m not sure why some folks will pay say that “grades don’t matter”, and then later on complain when in some cases they do. Afterall, if people really don’t believe grades matter (as a lot of people say) then it’s none of your business whether foreigners have a 3.9, can outscore others in math/science/technology or not…It doesn’t matter, because learning is suppose to be a a self-pace/self-competition anyway. And as I said before, if getting into a decent school isn’t not necessary (going to college is not necessary), who cares what foreigners are doing here.
I think it’s kinda ironic that it seems like a lot of you are experiencing this sort of increased competition for scarce resources for the first time…A lot of us specifically that work in the tech private sector has had to deal with this throughout most of entire career…Everything from education to even on the job where everyone wants things more, cheaper, faster all the time…. Is this really so surprising that it’s happening now that resources in general are more limited?
