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July 8, 2007 at 10:10 AM #9470July 8, 2007 at 10:47 AM #64622
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ParticipantRead “The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve” by G. Edward Griffin
truly an eye-opener – should be required reading for all Americans – Americans don’t read anymore so Aaron Russo and Michael Moore are trying to reach them where they live – sitting on their brains in front of the TV
July 8, 2007 at 10:47 AM #64681ParticipantRead “The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve” by G. Edward Griffin
truly an eye-opener – should be required reading for all Americans – Americans don’t read anymore so Aaron Russo and Michael Moore are trying to reach them where they live – sitting on their brains in front of the TV
July 8, 2007 at 10:55 AM #64626NeetaT
ParticipantNone of that information matters to me, because I still have to pay taxes. If I could forgo paying taxes and not be reminded that I didn’t, it would matter to me.
July 8, 2007 at 10:55 AM #64685ParticipantNone of that information matters to me, because I still have to pay taxes. If I could forgo paying taxes and not be reminded that I didn’t, it would matter to me.
July 8, 2007 at 10:58 AM #64687blue_sky
ParticipantNews flash: not everything on the internet is true.
Go get an attorney’s opinion
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.htmlIn particular:
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#ratificationJuly 8, 2007 at 10:58 AM #64628ParticipantNews flash: not everything on the internet is true.
Go get an attorney’s opinion
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.htmlIn particular:
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#ratificationJuly 8, 2007 at 12:16 PM #64699greekfire
Participant“News flash: not everything on the internet is true.”
Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself. I am not saying I agree or disagree with the video. If you watch the videos they have several attorneys that specialize in this field speak on the topic. In fact, one of the protagonists in the video was a former IRS tax specialist, or something like that. So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.
July 8, 2007 at 12:16 PM #64640Participant“News flash: not everything on the internet is true.”
Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself. I am not saying I agree or disagree with the video. If you watch the videos they have several attorneys that specialize in this field speak on the topic. In fact, one of the protagonists in the video was a former IRS tax specialist, or something like that. So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.
July 8, 2007 at 12:43 PM #64703Participant“Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself.”
All right, I recommend you pull the court’s ruling yourself, here’s the relevant case: U.S. v. Thomas, 788 F.2d 1250 (7th Cir. 1986), cert. den. 107 S.Ct. 187 (1986).
Or, if that’s too much work, how about reading page 46 of the St. Louis Bar Journal, Vol 53, No. 1. Also available on the internet for your convenience, though I’m sure you can get your local library to dig up a copy in case you have reason to believe this is a forgery:
http://www.bamsl.org/members/barjournal/summer%2006.pdf
You can also find a rundown of all of this from the IRS, who has to deal with this bullshit daily and references to all the relevant case law:
http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html
“So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.”
Compare the images at 0:40 in your video with this lawsuit: http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv04752.htm .
July 8, 2007 at 12:43 PM #64644Participant“Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself.”
All right, I recommend you pull the court’s ruling yourself, here’s the relevant case: U.S. v. Thomas, 788 F.2d 1250 (7th Cir. 1986), cert. den. 107 S.Ct. 187 (1986).
Or, if that’s too much work, how about reading page 46 of the St. Louis Bar Journal, Vol 53, No. 1. Also available on the internet for your convenience, though I’m sure you can get your local library to dig up a copy in case you have reason to believe this is a forgery:
http://www.bamsl.org/members/barjournal/summer%2006.pdf
You can also find a rundown of all of this from the IRS, who has to deal with this bullshit daily and references to all the relevant case law:
http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html
“So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.”
Compare the images at 0:40 in your video with this lawsuit: http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv04752.htm .
July 8, 2007 at 12:49 PM #64646Anonymous
GuestUh, in reality, those statements ARE being made by a bunch of kooks since there is objectively documented, enormous legal precedent against their inane arguments.
None of these ‘tax protesters’ with their silly ideas win. They aren’t after any grand, righteous, legal principle, they just don’t want to pay what they owe.
If a state legislature thought that it really did not ratify the 16th Amendment, they would have so voted and made it clear. None has done so.
On the other hand, videos like this may enhance business prospects for private lawyers who take on the deluded tax protester’s cases. For money up front, no doubt.
July 8, 2007 at 12:49 PM #64705GuestUh, in reality, those statements ARE being made by a bunch of kooks since there is objectively documented, enormous legal precedent against their inane arguments.
None of these ‘tax protesters’ with their silly ideas win. They aren’t after any grand, righteous, legal principle, they just don’t want to pay what they owe.
If a state legislature thought that it really did not ratify the 16th Amendment, they would have so voted and made it clear. None has done so.
On the other hand, videos like this may enhance business prospects for private lawyers who take on the deluded tax protester’s cases. For money up front, no doubt.
July 8, 2007 at 1:01 PM #64652no_such_reality
ParticipantTwo thoughts:
1. Don’t pay your income tax, you’ll find out how unsuccessful debate of the legality is.
2. Think of the alternatives. We could replace income tax with an asset tax. Imagine a National Real and Intangiable Property tax of 3% on the assessed value of your home, car, boat, stocks, bonds, CDs, mutual funds, 67 inch LCD TV…
July 8, 2007 at 1:01 PM #64711ParticipantTwo thoughts:
1. Don’t pay your income tax, you’ll find out how unsuccessful debate of the legality is.
2. Think of the alternatives. We could replace income tax with an asset tax. Imagine a National Real and Intangiable Property tax of 3% on the assessed value of your home, car, boat, stocks, bonds, CDs, mutual funds, 67 inch LCD TV…
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