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April 6, 2024 at 8:22 AM #903094April 7, 2024 at 8:57 PM #903097
CoronitaParticipantDecent time to buy a sports/exotic car too (minus porsche)…
I’m on my 7th car. Running out of places to park, lol.
It’s great. I can almost make it to 2 months without going to the gas station…
But when I do, it’s like making a mortgage payment…
April 8, 2024 at 4:09 PM #903098Unscaredy
ParticipantI am here. I am way too irritated by not qualifying for the federal tax incentive to buy an EV because I make “too much” money. Really, $300,000 is too wealthy to get a vehicle incentive? Have these federal bureaucrats been to Jimbos lately and seen the price of sprouted almond butter?? I come home from the farmers market with a couple of leaves and an onion and two oranges and I’m out $50.00. . So irritated am I by this arbitrary wealth tax cutoff in fact that i refuse to buy an EV, and will in fact, NEVER buy an electric vehicle if people below the 300k cutoff are getting 7500 just for earning less money than me. This I recognize is absurd, and violates the sound principle of focusing on what is in one’s own bowl, and not worrying about what is in your neighbor’s bowl. Which is all well and good, but $7,500 is in my neighbor’s bowl and nothing is in mine! This is bullshit!
I was going to check on the rules, see if I could have my kid buy an EV, transfer the car to me, then have him take the tax credit and pay him back for the car. But it’s all just too annoying and I don’t want to engage in any kind of fraudulent nonsense or drag my kid into a conspiracy. Am I being petty about the money? Perhaps. But if you want to play incentives, unscaredy is responding to a clear incentives. The government wants people doing well not to buy electric vehicles.
I do need to get a new car though, coincidentally, because my wife’s 2012 mini needs a new clutch ($3,600!) and something else ($1,800!) and it’s still not guaranteed the car will run, due to other engine light issues. She wants a Porsche, but may settle for a miata. I am pulling for a toyota corolla.
April 8, 2024 at 4:23 PM #903099ParticipantI personally still have my 2012 accord, creeping up on 200,000 miles, and which i intend to keep as long as it or i keep running. It’s starting to get vintagey, which is good. Got lots of bumperstickers, dents, the windshield is messed up from a sandstorm in death valley, smells kinda bad inside; it’s just getting good!
I did have an idea for a bumper sticker art project: put left wing bumperstickers on the left side of the bumper, right wing bumperstickers on the right side of the bumper. Clinton, coexist, hands off my uterus on the left, trump, 2nd amendment, pro life on the right. That should lower the value of the vehicle substantially.
April 8, 2024 at 5:17 PM #903100CoronitaParticipantScardey, I might be selling one of my 2 miatas to make room. Both are manual and supercharged though. 😂
I finally caved and bought a car with a dual clutch automatic.
Porsches post COVID are way overrated. 911s are good cars but not so much that Porsche should be able to pick and choose who to sell to similar to what Ferrari does. And the dealers are arrogant as fuck these days. I jumped the shark and ditched Porsche and got something else.
April 8, 2024 at 6:30 PM #903101ParticipantI might consider an aging leaf with a 60 mile range if I can have it for almost nothing.
April 9, 2024 at 9:44 AM #903102sdduuuude
ParticipantCoronita. You can leave one or two on my lot … but you’ll have to leave the keys in case I have to move it. 🙂
April 9, 2024 at 11:23 PM #903103CoronitaParticipantThe preowned EV market actually looks pretty pathetic.
Check out 4 year old Porsche Taycan’s. The depreciation is around 50% in 4 years.
https://jalopnik.com/porsche-taycan-turbos-have-lost-up-to-100-000-value-in-1851281337
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2020-Porsche-Taycan-c29774
The Mercedes EQS has seen similar depreciation…in one year….
https://www.motor1.com/news/714685/mercedes-benz-eqs-loses-nearly-half-value/
It’s like buying a paperweight!
April 10, 2024 at 8:19 AM #903104Futurescaredy
ParticipantEV inventories are piling up and there are some very good deals out there! Look at the price cuts in the last 30 days!
Fisker Ocean Sport $24,999 (dropped by $14,000 !!)
Fisker Ocean Ultra $34,999 (dropped by $18,000 !!)Multiple internet sources say none are in USA, not avail. At this price point. If I could get the tax break, I might go for it
April 10, 2024 at 8:20 AM #903105ParticipantThe Mercedes still seems overpriced at 65k.
April 10, 2024 at 8:26 AM #903106Participant<p style=”text-align: left;”>I went to a volvo dealership a few months ago When I was having fear of driving. I sat in a few and thought, pretty nice. But I now understand they are not actual functioning machines, so my cheapness overcame my fear</p>
April 10, 2024 at 8:43 AM #903107CoronitaParticipantThe mercedes EQS and Porsche Taycan, some say, have been electical gremlin nightmares. I can see that. You take a German car company, that is already known for producing ICE cars with electrical gremlins…produce a product that uses even more computers and electronics. What could possibly go wrong….
One of the reasons why I skipped the hybrid Artura, besides it’s price.
April 10, 2024 at 8:53 AM #903108
evolusdv2ParticipantGlad EV prices are coming back down to earth. I looked at buying one for my wife in late 2022 and the price premium including markups at the time over a hybrid made it economically unreasonable. I could pay for the extra gas for like 15 years before breaking even. Ended up getting a hybrid that’s served us well. I feel like the depreciation curve on EVs is pretty brutal, too. Once they get 50-60k on the clock, people worry about the battery life and the value just tanks.
I’m with Toyota and believe plug-in hybrids are the best overall bet – enough range to do most or all of your typical daily driving but a tank of gas to eliminate range anxiety on longer trips. That’s likely what well get next.
April 10, 2024 at 12:17 PM #903109sdrealtor
ParticipantI think there is a lack of understanding about all EV value proposition and tons of negative propaganda out there.
My previous tesla was involved in a 50 MPH head on collision when someone pulled out from a sidestreet at last minute in front of me. It saved my life and I walked away without a scratch. Buying a replacement after that was a no brainer.
My current Tesla is over 3 years old and has 110K miles on it. Besides tires my entire maintenance cost has been a $1 gallon of windshield washer fluid. I’ve met people with 250K miles whose experience is the same except they are on their second gallon of windshield washer fluid. Ive heard of cars with 400K on original batteries. The maintenance manager at the Carlsbad tesla service center told me he’s seen 3 brake jobs in the 10 years he’s been there.
It is the most reliable dependable car Ive ever owned. My car is better today than the day I got it. The interior looks brand new. It drives as well or better than it did when i got it and does things it didnt when i bought it.
It has been to Napa Valley, Phoenix, Palm Desert and Vegas multiple times. Range has never been an issue and the supercharger network on the freeways here is more than adequate. I can only drive about 250 miles straight without stopping. The stops involve pulling in, plugging right in, going to bathroom, getting coffee or soft drink and perhaps a snack. I like to stretch my back for a few moments before I unplug and continue on. On the longest trips I bring a yoga mat to stretch for 3 to 5 minutes. I would need that time no matter what I was driving. By then (15 to 25 minutes) the car is recharged and ready to continue. I usually don’t have to stop again and if I do its a 10 minute stop.
The range when I bought it was 328 and it is down to 311 so not much degradation.
This is my experience, not some propaganda from EV haters. I am not trying to save the world or make a political statement. Im driving the best most fun vehicle with an amazingly low cost of ownership that has already saved my life once.
This past weekend someone sideswiped my current Tesla. They pulled over and started yelling at me for hitting the front of their car with the rear passenger side quarter panel of mine. I laughed and said I’ve got perfectly clear HD videos of the the events leading up to, after and the actual point of collision from the front, side and rear cameras. Let me have your insurance information and I can email them so I can get this settled quickly. Currently working through to decide if I want to repair, leave with a dent or buy another new one all of which would involve little out of pocket expense to me.
I was never a car lover like coronita or AN. Its just a car to me. Transportation and thats all. But I do enjoy it like no other vehicle Ive owned
April 10, 2024 at 2:29 PM #903110CoronitaParticipantPorsche and Mercedes so far have proven they suck at making EVs.
Porsche might redeem themselves, depending on how the 2025 Electric Boxster and Caymen launch goes.
https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/718-ev
But it will probably be a PITA to get with how arrogant Porsche dealers are.
The rumored NE Miata might be electric in 2026
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