[quote=Hobie]zk: My original thread ended with a rhetorical question. You kinda missed that and jumped into the weeds.
Moving on, another way to think about contact tracing is going back to the venn diagram concept.
Let’s suppose you pick a random person in NY who doesn’t know he is a carrier. (NY only because the high density helps illustrate my point.) That person quarantines in his house with his family. Then he goes to market for food. Next Home Depot, gas, drug store, walk in park. Repeat a couple times a week.
Now if you track his contacts and then everyone else in his apartment building, they are going to be shopping at very close by shops following a similar exposure path. Now imagine this as venn diagram.
See how in no time, everyone will have crossed paths with our infected guy. And how the next ‘logical’ step is to have all those people now quarantine.
This again will lead to work stoppage and lumbering economy.
Can we agree on the future data collected by contact tracing is going to be a can of worms? ( hence my original rhetorical question )
People cannot be quarantined until there is a treatment or vaccine. People will accept some level of risk. Let people choose their own level of risk.
Can we also agree that the current data attributing a death from Covid excluding any pre-existing terminal condition (hospice)skews data.
Wouldn’t a more accurate data set include patient other conditions?
i knew we werent going to be able to agree on death numbers.
it does seem at first glance like people should be able to determine their own risk appetitie, but the problem societally is that we are all connected, man, so one person with a higher risk appetite doesn’t only increase risk for self, she increases risk for others.
we;re not connected in some hippydippy way, i mean, we are ALL CONNECTED. we are all part of one giant ecological cauldron, breathing the same air, like one organism. we are not as separated as we think we are. there is no fully separate me from the universe (although our 401k accounts definitely appear to be distinct).
and even though we are all interwoven…
doesnt mean we shouldnt be increasing risk societally, just that this isn’t a purely individual risk appetite decision. it’s a judgment call for society to make, which we do all the time….for instance…
the risk to others from opening up is greater than the risk to others from drugs, and as a society we decided that it’s just too “risky” for people to be able to manage their own bodies and decide whether they should be able to take psychedelic mushrooms or whatever. as a society we feel like, nope, too risky, too nutty, you
c an’t do that. which is utter bullshit.
and society bans drugs, and people think it’s prudent and sensible, even tho ingestion of drugs is way less risky to others than walking around and spreading germs all over the place that our immune system can’t deal with.
so, yeah, I’m in favor of opening up this nation, getting the brutal buzzsaw of pseudocapitalism and endless consumption revved up again , im even ok with a massive death toll, but i am NOT OK with saying this is just some individual risk profile decision.
that is BULLSHIT.
it’s more like a guy smoking on a plane. it’s OBVIOUSLY not just an individual decision he makes to increase his risk for cancer.
he’s stinking up the whole plane!
In the exact same way, this IS OBVIOUSLY not just an individual risk profile decision on how you think you’ll fare from covid 19.
so, in sum…
no on airplane smoking.
no, not even in the bathroom, you disgusting freak.
yes on psychedelic mushrooms
yes on opening up the country.
no on trump
no on yes.
yes on no.
no on biden
yes on lies
no on truth
no on time
yes on space
yes on the present
no on the past
No on Jesus
Yes on Joel Osteen
No on thoughts
Yes on reality.
No on Noh theatre
liberty …all that hand wringing and anguish over legalizing weed.
too “risky”.
I assume all the pro-open pro-self autonomy people are also vehemently outraged at the continuing criminalization and incarceration of certain drugs
and are fighting hard to legalize it nationally as part of their more liberty plan?
naah. when we said “liberty” we meant just your liberty to be part of the giant capitalist machine adn help it keep moving.
