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I’m not even a trump fan, but all the crying is awesome. “Douchebag” really,
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Yes, douchebag. If you enjoy somebody’s feelings being hurt, that pretty much makes you a douchebag right there. (My (and all the progressives I know) feelings weren’t and aren’t hurt; more on that later). Enjoying others being hurt is pretty much a hallmark of douchbaggery.
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and what do you know about my politics? I voted for Obama, twice, Bill Clinton once (went with Perot the other time)
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Here’s what I know about your politics:
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I’ve also seen the treatment of some old friends by the rabid progressives and have been tempted to intervene…
But alas, the site is awash in liberal drivel, socialism, politics and trump derangement syndrome…
As the old saying goes, “if you are not a socialist by 20 you have no heart but if you are not a conservative by 40 you have no brain.” They need to age out of it and I will not convince them otherwise, however at some point someone has to declare “adult swim, everyone under 18, out of the pool…”
Or will it remain a place democratic socialists go when the Rachael Maddow show has a guest host?…
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and yet I’m the bad guy because I criticize what I believe is the biggest sore losers I’ve seen in my life.
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1) No, you’re not a douchebag because you criticize anyone. You’re a douchebag because you enjoy when others’ feelings are hurt. (And in this case, you’ve been manipulated into thinking their feelings are hurt when they aren’t. See 4.)
2) your responses that progressives “feelings are hurt” and that they’re “sore losers” are nonsensical right-wing propaganda points (see 3 and 4), which points towards at least who you’re probably listening to, which is a possible indicator of your politics.
3) Being afraid for our country and being passionate about changing its direction because we’ve elected a president who is trying very hard to weaken the rule of law in our country for his own benefit, who can’t seem to understand what is true and what is not true, who is extraordinarily corrupt, and who clearly cares about himself far more than he cares about the country, (not to mention that he constantly lies, he’s a cheater, he never takes responsibility for his mistakes or the problems he causes, he cares about nothing and nobody but himself, he is petty, petulant, bellicose, ignorant, lazy, impulsive, delusional, amoral, unstable, and vindictive, and he is a racist and a misogynist and a bully and a narcissist) is completely unrelated to being a sore loser. When GWB won the first time, I was very disappointed (even though I was more of a right-leaning centrist back then; I thought he was an idiot), but I moved on. When he won the second time, I was kind of disgusted, but I moved on. This isn’t like that. GWB was more or less a typical republican who had typical republican priorities when he got elected the first time. The second time, he’d gotten us into an unnecessary war, which is horrible. But he wasn’t an existential threat to the republic. If democrats hadn’t won the house in 2018, that’s exactly what trump would be. His degradation of the rule of law over the past two years, his installation of cronies, yes men, and sycophants in the justice department, plus the failure of the outrageously craven republicans in congress to act as the checks and balances that the constitution demands were steps towards the fascism that he so clearly admires.
Now, you can disagree with me that he’s an existential threat to the republic (and, if you get your news from where it seems like you get your news, then you undoubtedly do disagree), but he is far from just somebody whose economic or social policies we don’t like. And to call somebody who is animated and involved and passionate about the direction this country is taking when a “man” like trump is threatening to ruin our country a “sore loser” is to miss the point entirely (and it’s also incorrect). It’s not that we’re sore that we lost. We feel that, for the future of our country, it’s necessary to do whatever is necessary (and legal) to make sure that trump isn’t given the opportunity to continue on the path that he’s on. That involves campaigning for democrats for congress so that the cowardly congressional republicans will no longer be able to cede all of congress’ power to trump. And it involves trying to get other voters to see who trump is and what he’s doing. Unfortunately, the behemoth right-wing propaganda machine makes convincing anyone who has already been indoctrinated by that machine virtually impossible.
4) The right-wing propaganda machine tells its dupes that people who think trump is dangerous for the country have hurt “feelings.” Can you explain to me how that makes sense? I’m disgusted by the foolishness and ignorance of those who can’t see trump for what he is. If I think trump fans are fools, that doesn’t mean my feelings are hurt. If we’re in a restaurant, and some guy punches a waitress because she accidentally stepped on his foot, and some other guy cheers on the guy who punches the waitress, and I tell guy who cheered on the puncher that he’s a disgusting fool, does that mean my feelings are hurt? No, it means I think that guy’s an asshole. I’d really love to hear you explain why you think progressives’ feelings are hurt.
Generally, when people hear “hurt feelings” they think of someone who feels bad about themselves because of something bad somebody said about them. Other definitions include being angry. If you’re using the former definition (or something similar), then all my above arguments apply. If you’re talking about being angry (or something similar), then I would say that being angry – and being motivated to action by that anger – is an appropriate response to the disaster (the potential catastrophe) that is the trump presidency.
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You don’t always get a trophy.
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A trophy? WTF are you talking about? Nobody’s asking for a trophy. We’re doing what we think is necessary for our country.
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It’s not ideology I’m rebelling against, its the tantrum of toddlers that I see and I’m waiting until they cry themselves to sleep and i’m still waiting.
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Yet another right-wing propaganda talking point. We’re crying toddlers. That doesn’t even make sense. We’re extremely concerned Americans who feel the need to change the direction our country is going. By your definition, every American who ever spoke out passionately about wanting to change the direction of our country is a crying toddler. I presume that right-wing propagandists encourage this response because it serves the purposes of making the trump supporter feel superior and avoiding the need for a reasoned response. In addition, there is the possibility that some of the weaker trump protesters and some of the trump protesters who can’t see how ridiculous the charge is will stop pointing out the dangers that trump poses.
[quote=temeculaguy] I’ve read the constitution and the bill of rights a few times I’ve never seen the right to not have your feelings hurt among your inalienable rights. Put on your big girl panties and get back to your life.
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Put your big boy thinking cap on and explain how you came to the conclusion that my feelings are hurt.
[quote=temeculaguy]
I like and dislike some of the things Trump does but I’ve never liked the democrats or the republicans as an lockstep ideology,
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What is trump doing that you like?
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the vitriol and hate based on people not agreeing with you or voting like you says far more about you than it does about me.
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My vitriol is not based on people not agreeing with me. If you can make a cogent argument for your side and we disagree, that’s fine with me. Heck, it doesn’t really even have to be all that cogent. It just has to be based on the truth. Almost every single trump supporter I’ve engaged with has failed to even try to make an argument. They never say, “you’re wrong about the justice department because of X,” or “you’re wrong about what trump said to the Australian prime minister because of Y” or “you’re wrong about trump being a delusional narcissist because of Z.” Or “you’re wrong about (a thousand stupid or dangerous things that trump has done or said) because of (any old reason at all will do here).” They tell me I’m a sore loser or a snowflake or my feelings are hurt and that I should put my big girl panties on. And that is EXACTLY why the right-wing propaganda machine encourages those responses. It’s the only one trump supporters have. It’s a response that serves the dual purpose of avoiding having to come up with a nonexistent argument in favor of trump along with making the trump supporter feel superior. My vitriol is based on the fact that most trump supporters believe the lies of trump and of the right-wing propaganda machine and are therefore not even starting from a position of truth. Hypothetical analogy: If somebody believes in some false prophet, and that prophet needs their support, and that prophet garners their support with lies and propaganda, and that prophet is a danger to me or my family or my country, I’m not going to agree to disagree with those supporters. I’m going to point out that those lies and propaganda are just that: lies and propaganda. And unless they can show me that their positions aren’t based on lies, I’m not going to agree to disagree with them. If my response is vitriolic, it’s not because I disagree with them. It’s because they are a danger to my country due to the fact that they don’t want to (or can’t) distinguish propaganda from truth.
72% of republicans, according to a 2018 Quinnipiac poll, said that they think that trump is a good role model for children. That’s how strong the propaganda machine is. Trump demonstrably has almost every major negative personality trait that a person can have. His character is demonstrably horrible. And yet these chumps have somehow been manipulated into believing that he’s a good role model for children. Tell me, tg, do you think that trump is a good role model for children? If so, why? If not, why do you think that 72% of republicans think he is?
[quote=temeculaguy]
Now you just have to wear a red hat, support the president or go to a church. Now you get insulted or physically attacked for expressing a viewpoint.
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Really, dude? You’re upset about the very rare MAGAer getting beat up, but not about the physical assaults that trump actually personally encouraged? Or the increase in hate crimes since trump has let deplorables out of the closet?
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I don’t go to a church, but i don’t care if you do.
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