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December 13, 2006 at 9:17 AM #8054December 13, 2006 at 9:37 AM #41576powaysellerParticipant
I feel like a total idiot for not thinking about this before. I started reading The Creature on Jekyll Island, a book about the Federal Reserve, but got bored 1/4 through. But without knowing what these guys do, and understanding their motives, we lose one very important factor in predicting the economy.
The big banks, like Citibank have pawned off their mortgages into the MBS market. See their Annual Report. “The Company’s mortgage loan securitizations are primarily non-recourse, thereby effectively transferring the risk of future credit losses to the purchasers of the securities issued by the trust.”
Citbank has a total of $163 B in fixed income securities, of which $13 B are MBSs, which they state are mainly GSE. If I understand their statements correctly, they have only $8.5 B in retained interests in mortgages. On the other hand, they made $24 B in profit in 2005. So, even if they lost their entire mortgage portfolio, and nobody paid back a penny, they would still have had $16B in profits – roughly.
So the big banks are not dependent on mortgages? They’ve pawned them all off on the public – their balance sheet also shows they *originated* $131 B in real estate loans.
Forget about the banks like WaMu, which could fold when the bubble collapses, and someone like Citibank, international banks, or the East-Coast money center banks will buy them up for pennies on the dollar. The large banks that have big mortgage exposure will be easy acquisition targets for the banks which really control the banking system (and our economy).
Why are there so many secrets in banking, about the Federal Reserve, about the money supply? Why are we never told by our government about the true inflation, about how much money is issued (M3 growth no longer published), who are the member banks? But mainly, why are we, including me, so intellectually lazy as to not question the role of the Federal Reserve, and realize they are not federal at all!
Now, here’s a little conspiracy theory. Consider the possibility that the rich want to get richer. I think we can agree that is a realistic motive. So they will come out ahead when this housing bubble busts. They will end up with more property and lease it to the poor.
After this housing bubble busts, we’ll see millions of foreclosures. The rich (banks or investors) will buy those homes for pennies on the dollar, while the former homeowner turns into a renter.
My friend suggests this is how they do it:
“But there is a problem – how do you take homes away from the people? Well – I think this is a pretty clever solution, let people mortgage their house by giving them 5% interest rates on their homes, plus a tax deduction, whilst they pay 23% on credit cards (after the 2% teaser rates expire).So if you, say, had a strategy to get your hands on people’s homes in the US, and you were rich and powerful, how might you do it?
– get people into deep debt using teaser rates and lowering lending standards
– raise the rates
– create a housing bubble
– crash the housing bubble
– increase unemployment
– change the bankruptcy laws so they can’t walk away from the debt
– start buying houses when the prices drop”As I am typing this, my TV is on, and some simple talk show is going on and on about trivial news: how to avoid flus, how to decorate for Christmas, gift giving, the weather. Useless drivel. Meanwhile, the broadcasters don’t show the truly important stuff, like helping us learn how the Federal Reserve really works. Don’t they know? Do they think we wouldn’t understand? Are they afraid to expose the scam?
I feel like such an idot for not realizing this sooner.
December 13, 2006 at 1:48 PM #41618bubParticipantWelcome aboard Neo!
December 13, 2006 at 2:10 PM #41621gold_dredger_phdParticipantThe US dollar is just paper, like toilet paper. They can print $100 bills for 4 cents at the Treasury or mint or wherever they “make” money. It’s all phoney, just like the statistics given out by the government, professional wrestling, sit-coms and much of the news we see on TV.
Buy gold or silver and store it for a rainy day as insurance. Make sure it’s in a place where the government won’t look for it.
December 13, 2006 at 2:19 PM #41623bubba99Participantpowayseller,
Welcome to my world. But keep in mind, that up until lately, the FED’s decisions have been (for the most part) in the best interest of America as a whole. While many of the decisions have favored some other very favored nations, as a whole the process works for the U.S.
December 13, 2006 at 2:35 PM #41626(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantAt least the members of the board are US citizens and stakeholders in the decisions they make. I’d rather put my faith in them than the foreign entities that hold our debt.
I believe that the fate of our economy lies in the collective action of all the players. I think too much credit (or blame) is given to the federal reserve board.
As for unaccountable. Don’t these people (at least the chairman) have to be approved by Congress ? If so, they are just as unaccountable as the Supreme Court.
December 13, 2006 at 5:02 PM #41645powaysellerParticipantAre bub and bubba99 two different people?
Dr. Gold Dredger, why should we hide our gold? It’s kind of scary to keep that kind of gold laying around somewhere. What about that bullion vault (bullionvault.com), or a bank safety deposit box or GLD? I think the risk of theft is too great to have it just stored at home.
December 14, 2006 at 8:13 AM #41693bubba99ParticipantYes bub and bubba99 are two different people. Can’t speak for bub, but I have been scared by the FEDS printing of new money for some time. I have put a good deal of my savings into Euro denominated bonds to help prevent the erosion of my dollar savings.
So far it is working well
December 14, 2006 at 9:33 AM #41699powaysellerParticipantWhere do you buy euro bonds? I called a few brokerage firms, and they said they don’t offer it. I would like to purchase german or swiss government bonds.
December 14, 2006 at 10:57 AM #41703WileyParticipantI read somewhere that the Fed Governors are immune from prosecution anywhere in the world. Pretty interesting.
December 14, 2006 at 11:53 AM #41712bubba99ParticipantI bought them in two different places. First through my Morgan Stanley account, and directly from my savings account at Credit Suisse in Switzerland. May make since to go to Switzerland and open an account to save on fees. Round trip with 5 days in a hotel is only $1400 US.
December 14, 2006 at 4:11 PM #41734(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantDid you know that Alan Greenspan is actually an alien sent here to wreck our economy ?
December 14, 2006 at 4:19 PM #41735(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantYou be the judge
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December 14, 2006 at 5:16 PM #41738LookoutBelowParticipantIm glad you finally saw the light. The Federal Reserve is about as "Federal" as Federal Express is….That would be…. NONE.
Just remember this, the world is a GIANT scam perpetrated by the richest families in the world, they have NEVER been out of power, they are the hidden "Powers That Be". They are the worlds largest and most powerful banksters (as in GANGsters) they always finance BOTH sides of every war and this civilization is like a little toy for them to play with. They are shrewd, smart and VERY resourceful, Heads I win, Tails I win, type of strategies in their M.O's
All the crap in politics is "Theater" for the sheeple, designed to make you think you have a choice and can affect some type of change with your vote, which is utter bullshit, we are in a fascist type (corporate controlled) society. Believe it. Its being hidden from the sheeple in many, many ways. All that the people in the world want anyway is Bread and Circuses…TV, Nascar, NFL, NBA, Reality shows, scandal, fornication and 13 types of religion to pray away their weekly sins every Sunday to their god and load up on Kool Aid and home baked cookies. This is who we are, this is what we are about…But it is NOT what "they" are all about.
I will tell you this, Allan Greenspan is a "Gold Bug" in his heart….Here's how I came to this conclusion many years ago, Google it up, he wrote a thesis many, many years ago about how fiat currencies are ridiculous and always end in failure, so riddle me this ? WHY did he turn on the printing presses like no other fed ever ? Maybe he was subversively showing the world that fiat currencies are bad ?….Maybe to rid the world of it (after the crash of course) for another 1,000 years ?
He is a student of Ayn Rand and ALL the implications of that need to be taken into consideration in your online research. He also shifts from Von Mises actions to Keynsian actions in his tenure, so its anyone's guess what he truly believes in.
You are on the right track PowaySeller, but you have a lot of homework to do.
Good job, now get to work.
Be careful with gold, hard to store and dangerous to have in posession if others know you have it. Plus the govt WILL take it from you like before, give you 48 hours to turn it all in. DHS has already got access to your safety deposit box at the bank, so dont try that one either.
In the coming times (I dont have a clue as to how long from now) people will only be able to keep and have what they can defend physically. Anarchy will make this the only way.
I must quit here and be the "Prince of Darkness" at my wifes company party….they just love me there !! LOL
Happy Holidays to all.
December 14, 2006 at 7:07 PM #41751powaysellerParticipantWhat is DHS?
I think some conspiracies are possible, but not everything is a conspiracy. If it were, then nothing is due to chance, and 100% of conspiracies are successful. Judging from the colossal failures of FEMA in Katrina, our war planning in Iraq, our utter failure to plan for the energy decline and Social Security shortfall, the upcoming bank failings (did the CEOs of WaMu and Wells Fargo plan to go under), I find it hard to believe our leaders are brilliant and coherent enough to work together to orchestrate a grand plan. Heck, they couldn’t even get a few people out of a flood in New Orleans, and figure out who was already paid once. To me, our government leaders are more like bumbling fools than brilliant puppeteers.
I do agree that people are too complacent, and we don’t realize how little we know. For example, people think we have a choice of political parties, but there really is only a choice between Republican and Democrat. Third parties have to jump through hoops. For example, to get on the ballot, each state has a different window (in CA, it’s 6 weeks in July -August) to get a certain number of signatures , just to have your name on the ballot! The 2 major parties essentially block other parties from getting on the ballot, and from having their ideas heard.
So I don’t take you up on your challenge to study conspiracy theories, because I doubt that too many really exist. I do not believe in the 9/11 conspiracy either (the alleged Bush planning of 9/11 as a premise to take away civil liberties and invade Iraq; evidence is demolition of Trade Towers since one airplane cannot make a tower crumble down like that, demolition of another Tower that was not even touched by a plane but was supposedly falling in a demolition-type manner, lack of airplane parts and manicured lawn untouched by any airplane tracks in front of Pentagon, and more).
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