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November 12, 2006 at 7:53 PM #7899November 15, 2006 at 10:18 AM #40033bgatesParticipant
Perry, are there any anti-American dictators you don’t like?
I’m surprised to see you bring up Iran-Contra. I mean, haven’t you and other leftists conclusively demonstrated that an Islamic group like al Quada could never cooperate with someone who doesn’t share their theology, like Saddam? That being the case, how could the Islamists in Iran ever have cooperated with Reagan? No, by your own reasoning, Iran-Contra must never have happened.
November 15, 2006 at 10:44 AM #40040AnonymousGuestohhh Time magazine always a bastion of unbiased reporting
November 15, 2006 at 11:12 AM #40045AnonymousGuestPerry, you must be an elitist, thinking that Americans weighing in can sway things one way or another during an election. If Rove and the boys are so darn powerful, how did they blow it so last week? Tough November for Rove, 0 for 2 in Nicaragua and the U.S.
Nah, I can understand why Nicaraguans brought Ortega to power; the economy sounds horrible there, and Ortega has found Catholicism, now. Best wishes to him, because his country sure needs saving from its current corrupt regime.
Aside — it’s getting tough out there, economically: a contractor just came in way below others on his bid to refinish our wood floors, as he said things are slow and he has a crew to keep busy.
Folks, my thoughts are that it’s going to be tough, economically, for a long, long time. I may be wrong, but don’t be foolish with your money, now, ’cause being able to draw down on savings may be very, very valuable in the mid-term.
November 15, 2006 at 1:53 PM #40062PerryChaseParticipantI don’t like Anti-American dictators. My point is that armed big-brother type interventions never work. It’s a waste of time, resources and human lives. The deaths involved are cruel and inhuman.
If we want to sway people to our point of view, we’re better off giving them Coca Cola, McDonalds, Frito Lays, Levis and Hollywood. Commerce is free, enrich American corporations and works every time. Why do you think that Eastern Europe (the New Europe) is embrassing America? They want American business and they’re hoping that we’ll share some of our wealth with them.
Condi Rice recently allocated $300 million (in that ballpark) to give scholarships to Iranians students to study in America. Let them come and see how we live. It’s cheaper and more humanitarian than bombing them.
In Iran-Contra, Reagan contravened the Constitution to try to depose Ortega. Now Ortega is back in power. Why did Reagan waste his time? And talk about hypocrisy! We were giving arms to Iraq so they could fight Iran, but we were selling arms to Iran because we needed money to buy arms to give to the Contras so that they could fight the Sandinistas (Congress had cut off funds to the Contras). Iran in turn used our arms to fight Iraq.
November 15, 2006 at 2:08 PM #40066bgatesParticipantMy point is that armed big-brother type interventions never work. Well, that explains the military dictatorships in Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, and Panama. Clearly a world without US intervention would be more humane. Look at the two Koreas – one we pressured for years to improve its human rights record, in the other we’ve never had influence. If not for American intervention, the whole peninsula could be in the Kim family’s wise stewardship (with backing from your pals in Communist China – yet another anti-American dictatorship you’ve spoken of fondly.) Speaking of the Chinese, they’re pretty engaged with us commercially. Have they been swayed to our point of view? Ask the good people of Darfur, if there are any left.
You think Hollywood is going to get the world to embrace us? That’s funny coming from someone who considers himself cosmopolitan. Let’s sponsor showings of ‘The Birdcage’ in Cairo and ‘Thelma and Louise’ in Riyadh, and wait for the wave of pro-American sentiment. As for the rest of your consumer products, five years ago an al Qaeda operative came up with the bon mot, “The Americans love Pepsi Cola. We love death.” Maybe that guy would have felt differently if he’d studied in America, like Khaled Sheikh Mohammed (North Carolina Ag&Tech State University 1986, plot to destroy the World Trade Center 2001).
For all your so-called worldliness, you can’t seem to grasp the idea that people hate the US for reasons other than your own, and in fact for reasons in conflict with your own. You think Muslims will appreciate your desire to remove God from public life? You think the most fertile nations on earth will agree with you that having children is selfish and bad for the world? You think spreading the word about your contempt for religion is going to boost our standing in dar-al-Islam?
For a European, you have a shoddy grasp of realpolitik. There was nothing hypocritical in funding both Iran and Iraq. We wanted them both to lose.
November 15, 2006 at 8:21 PM #40090AnonymousGuestbg, if you ever perceive that I crossed swords with you online, spare me, please; I hereby give you a preemptive “Uncle!”
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