[quote=zk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=zk][quote=flyer]I find it amusing that “nonbelievers” think their opinion is more valid than “believers.”

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Not more valid necessarily, but definitely more rational.[/quote]

zk: So, you’re arguing AGAINST dogmatism, by USING dogmatism?[/quote]

No. I’m not saying that my position is incontrovertibly true (dogmatism).

I’m saying that my position is rational. Completely different from incontrovertibly true.

Rational means based on or in accordance with reason or logic. I have used reason and logic to arrive at my conclusion. Faith, by definition, does not use these things to reach a conclusion.[/quote]

We know all sorts of things that are not incontrovertibly true.